This is the FCB podcast networks when they try to jaw boot change that dog. We don't listen to y'all to the out Dog. We don't listen to y'all to the outdoor. Make a scream out down like a sound dog, because I rockets in the crowd like a ball. Tune into the chart from the Outdoor. Tune into the Charge from the Outlaw. Welcome to a special edition of the Outlaws. This is Darvo to King Penmorrow. Don't forget too Like us on Facebook at Facebook dot com, slash the Outlaws Radio, follow us on Twitter and Instagram at the Outlaws Radio. It's a very special episode. I'm going to introduce uh many of you in a little bit to Cleveland Heights Councilwoman Divita Russell, and I'll explain that in just a little bit. This was um originally going to be an Outlaws extra. For those of you who are familiar, you know, those are shorter episodes where we kind of dig in depth on a certain issue or a certain topic. And many times the Outlaws extras feature elected officials, typically you know, locally, sometimes statewide and national as well, depending on the issue. But we got so in depth on this topic on this conversation that it ended up evolving into a full episode, So I wanted to to bring that to you all, so just to kind of set the tone to prepare for what for the interview you're getting ready to hear. Councilwoman Divida Russell is a is a councilwoman in the city of Cleveland Heights, which is a suburb of Cleveland. Many of you know that we are based out of Cleveland, and Cleveland Heights is is one of our suburbs. There was an incident that took place at a city council meeting that a Councilwoman Russell is going to tell you about in regards to a real life right there in front of your face, backlash to her fighting for the city to have diversity on its charter Review Board or Charter Review commission and for people who don't know, and we get into this a little bit in the interview as well. The charter, the city's charter is essentially like the city's constitution, so as you can imagine, that's a very important document. So I let council when the Russell get into more detailed about the issues that took place and why they were being addressed at the meeting, and Cleveland Heights is a place where their motto is all are welcome, and that's the way that they present themselves as a city. So it is puzzling that in a city that says all are welcome, that there has to be a fight for diversity on a board that is charged with reviewing the city's most important document. And so there's there's a real interesting dynamic going on in this fight, and we're going to get into it in depth. I want to thank a councilwoman Russell for being generous with her time and spending the time with us. And think everyone who's listening to the show, whether you live in this market or not, you can get something from this episode. You can see how the process works in many of these cities, and you can also see how, you know, we're having a great grand conversation about diversity on the grand scale, on a granular level UM in this country right now, but you get to see how sometimes on the local level, things don't actually turn out the way that they're supposed to UM. And you know, I don't want to I don't want to tease it too much more. I want you guys to to listen to it and you can hear it for yourself. So we are going to get to the interview right now. All right, we have a very special guest on the show today. I actually met you a few maybe maybe about a month a little bit over a month ago. Now at this point, UM and d see a great person who is a city councilwoman in Cleveland Heights, which is a suburb of Cleveland. David or Russell, Welcome to the show. How are you doing well? Hello, how are you? Thank you? I'm good, I'm good. Glad we were able to make this happen. So there's um, there's been some stuff going on, um in your city, and I think it'll be best let's just start from the top, because one particular thing that happened actually made the news here. UM, So let's kind of start from the top and then we'll then we'll go from there. So the underlying issue, the issue that you raised, um, that you that you all were dealing with in council concerning the Charter Review Board, Well, I raised an issue with the Charter Review Uh. There are nine appointees that we as council member have to select four this board for this Commission, and I am into and have always expressed in illusion diversity and geographic diversity in our city. When I ran for council in two thousand and nineteen, I was always told that there's two Cleveland Heights and Upper Cleveland Heights and a lower Cleveland Heights. But you know, if when you live in a city, sometimes you don't really see the city, if you know what I mean. I spent so much time in Columbus and helping other communities and doing other things around the political arena, I didn't really begin to really look at my own city. You know how sometimes you just driving pass and some one day you'll say, oh, I didn't know that was there, But it's probably been near six months or year. And when people were saying, as I was walking and knocking on doors, that you know, it's two Cleveland Heights. One part of Cleveland Heights gets all of the money, all of the resources. One part does not and has not had the resources in forty years. So you have this section of Cleveland Heights that is begging for to be included, to have some intention to want to participate. And so as things come up coming from me being a labor leader, you know, we've always taught that to make a cohesive community, everyone has to be at the table, no matter who it is. You have to bring everybody to the table to be able to get a full picture what's happening or what's going on in the Union or in your city, wherever it is that you have to bring people to the table. So and creating these and putting together these nine appointments, I noticed that there was no diversity, in my opinion, for African Americans applied. Only one was kind of looked bad. Two people from different geographic areas of the city, one from the Caledonia area, which is an area that's truly struggling. One person applied, and that actually fits the charter, the ordinance for the Charter Review Commission stating that the Council has to do or shall do everything in its possibility to be able to make the commission a diverse commission to represent the city. And that called for sexual, that called for geographical, that calls for race, age, and all of the above. And I just wanted to make sure that no matter what we did, out of nine people, that the whole city was included in what we did. And that kind of went to another level. Yeah, so we'll get to We'll get to that in a second. We'll get to that level and the second. But real quick, just kind of breakdown for people who may be listening and are unaware they've never been to Cleveland Heights, or even people who live in an area and not aware of the dynamics. When we talk about the two sides of Cleveland Heights, explain that what so I'm assuming that there's one side that is probably poorer than the other. One side that is the composition, the racial makeup kind of probably looks a little different. Talk a little bit about the difference in the two sides of Cleveland Heights. While the difference the difference in the two sides of Cleveland Heights, you have most of the people who are north of Mayfield are more African American and the Jewish community, and the south of Mayfield is usually people who are more influential far as income, and so north of Mayfield has struggling. They're working class people, some are doing pretty well, some are not. But it's an area that you can drive through it and you can tell them. It's an obvious difference of what both sides of town looks like, and I mean, I'm guilty. I didn't realize it until you know, after a while, you just you just have a tendency to drive through your community and not pay attention anymore, and one day somebody brings it to your attention. It is like, do you realize what's happening? And you look up, you say, oh wow, I didn't think that was true. So now I'm just trying to We have a model called All Are Welcome, and I just want I don't want to Cleveland Heights. I want one Cleveland Heights. I want everybody to be united in Cleveland Heights. I want everybody to feel welcome. I want everybody to feel included. I want everybody to participate if they choose to participate. Now, everybody's not going to participate, and everybody don't want you to participate in Some people don't even have time, especially a lot of African Americans, because they're working two or three jobs just to put food on the table. So I do understand that. But when people do choose to participate, and they have good credentials or good backgrounds and things they have done or the walk of life they have been in, and they can contribute to a commission or a board, then we should give them opportunities. You know, we're not looking for I don't think people are looking for handouts. People are just looking for opportunities, the same opportunities that anyone else would have. Right, and also too, I want to go back a little bit, just say explain that's for people who don't know, and then we'll move on. So you're talking specifically. This is specifically in regards to the Charter Review Commission. For people who don't know, a city's charter is essentially like the constitution of that city. So if you you think about the United States Constitution and all the you know, that's how the country is governed by that constitution. A city's charter is basically the constitution of that city. So for people who don't know. So also, and with that being said, I would think that it would be important to have diversity in a diverse city when you're looking at reviewing the city's constitution, right, yes, and you know, and I'm I can't say. I mean my colleague said they, you know, publicly that they they did look and took some of those things in consideration. And I'm only speaking from my viewpoint I can't put words in other people's mouths, and I don't want to, and I don't want to slam or go against the grain. Far as you know, my colleagues, I'm only speaking for Divita Russell. My viewpoint and my opinion and all of that is my reality. I come from labor, a labor leader across the state of Ohio, represent school employees and all across Ohio and especially in Northeast Ohio. So my mindset kind of works a little differently, I think from coming from labor, because you're kind of trains somewhat differently. We are are fighters. We're not people who are quiet or soft spoken. We are people who are strongly opinionated, who have eggs, clear and direct voice and what we believe in and what we will fight for. And I want to fight for the residents and the Cleveland Heights of what they are telling me they are looking for and what they need. And the great part about Cleveland Heights is that the residents on the south side of Cleveland Heights understand what we're what we're saying. That you know when you when you talk to them, they say, oh, yeah, the Noble Area or the Caledonia area or that area needs help. They recognize it, and they're not pushing back on it. A lot of them really want to help. I've been working with a green team and the Seward District that's trying to really figure out how to clean up the ravine for environmental diversity. So, you know, I And just to give you a little background, and I guess maybe why I feel so strongly the way I do is number one, coming from labor. Number two. I'm a person who survived the Collinwood riots in the seventies, all through high school, where a lot of people didn't. I witnessed and saw the superior burning and the gunfire between the Black Panthers and the police. I know racism so well because I've had to live it. You know, a lot of people now speak of racism and speak of a lot of these different things. But when you really really know about racism, and sometimes somebody's trying to kill you, when they're really trying to physically hurt you because of your race, and they don't want you in their neighborhood or their schools, that's true racism. When we came on Council after George Floyd died, myself Councilman Heart and former Councilman Nger, we declared we put legislation together declaring that ratio diversity must be in Cleveland Heights and that racism was a health crisis. So we went even further than that and created a Racial Justice Task Force to investigate the systemic racism within our city, within our schools, our health, our businesses geographically, and they are actually doing very good work. I've signed onto a letter with Key Banks stating that you are not giving opportunity to African Americans in your ending problems processes. So, you know, I watch us in Cleveland Heights talk about and maybe it's not even just Cleveland Heights, is just everywhere. You know, Why are we still fighting these issues in twenty twenty three. We have been talking about diversity, We've been talking about inclusion, We've been talking about bringing everyone to the table. Why are we still still fighting these issues? Why is this just not automatic? If you find someone or people are applying for different things that comes from a different background or a different geographical area, and they qualify for whatever they're applying for, why can't we just pull up a chair and say you're welcome. Why are we have cities that sometimes people are not included. I don't understand understand that, and my brain don't operate or don't work that way because I just I just I choose to fight for the people, and I've been fighting for the people for forty years and I don't know how to stop. I don't know any other way to do but try to make things fair. And am I wrong? Sometimes who's not? I apologize and keep moving. But when I'm truly truly believe in something and I think that we should all be aware of it and put it to our forefront, then we should try to act on it as much as we possibly can. Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's really interesting to me. I remember reading a story with some it was either some department or some organization, I can't remember what it was, and they were like, we're going to, you know, commission this two hundred thousand or three hundred thousand dollars study to find out why we're not hiring enough black people. And I'm like, if you want to hire more black people, hire more black people. It's not complicated. They complicated. U. So let's let's fast forward now to uh the incident talk a little bit about what just tells what happened the incident of May first correct. Well, um, I was expressing, you know, my belief and opinion, my perception at my reality that the process was flawed because we did not adhere to the section B of the ordinance that talked about diversity in the charter. I asked the Law director direct twice and he said yes. I asked him, are we not supposed to be following this? He said yes. I says, aren't we supposed to be making a special effort to follow this? And he said yes. So to me, that confirmed that insection B of the Ordinance, where it says counsel shall that means will, not a if, not a but not a maybe will. I know when I negotiate contracts and with a school board and it says shall, that means, oh no, the school board will or the union will, so will is shall? It's not a possibility. And so that's the way I read it, That's the way I interpreted it, that we should be making a tremendous effort to make sure that the commission is diverse. And so in the same time pressing myself things got a little out of hand. With you have to view it. Things got out of hand and the President of Counsel was gabbling me and jumped up out of her chair, reached over to try to turn off my MIC and telp people to turn off my MIC. I slid my chair away because I didn't know what was going on and what was happening, because she really caught me off guard, and so I kind of our chairs was on wheels, so I pushed my chair to the side to figure out what she was trying to do. And she was just over into my space, trying to cut off my MIC and gabbling me to no extent. And then later after the meeting was over, her her husband. I thought he was walking up to say hello because everything was over, and he began to scream and yell at me, your backstabber. I mean he was. He was furious. He was shaking, he was trembling, he was read. He was almost fitting that he was. He was so furious that I was a backstabber. I knew that we were going to vote that way. Why didn't we tell Melandie we were with her the day before? And I'm trying to explain to him I was not with your wife the day before I saw her at the park, but I wasn't with her. And we're doing a clean up in a community. I'm not talking about or even thinking about any business. And no matter where my mind was at the time, everyone, I made it very clear to everyone where my position was us. I made it very clear that it's all I talked about was the diversity, the inclusion, and making sure that we had someone from each geargrapical area on the commission, that we had black people represented it on the commission. I wanted to debut to diverse. I figured out of nine people we could be able to make sugar that those people were a part of the Charter Review Commission. More with Councilwoman Divita Russell when we come back here on the Outlaws. These days, it seems like everybody's talking, but no one is actually listening to the things they're saying. Critical thinking isn't dead, but it's definitely low on oxygen. Join me, Kia Davis on just listen to yourself every week as we reasoned through issues big and small, critique our own ideas, and learn to draw our talking points all the way out to their logical conclusions. Subscrip to just listen to yourself with Kia Davis an FCB radio podcast on Apple, on Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcasts, real talk, real conversations, We got the heat. This is the Laws Radio show. Welcome back. You're listening to the Outlaws. Make sure you subscribe to the show on Apple, podcast, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcast. And if you listen to this show on Apple, please make sure you leave us a five star review and a comment is very important for the algorithm and for those of you who have already done so, thank you, oh so very much. Now let's get back to our interview with Cleveland Heights councilwoman Davida Russell. So, obviously that's a very heated um incident. How did that that that incident, How did that make you feel? How did you feel in that in that moment? And then afterwards was like, wow, what just happened here? Like how did you feel about what happened? Well, when she reached over to turn off my mic, I was I was floored, number one, because a council person prior to us had had the floor for I can't tell you how long, and they were never really gabbled, they were able to finish their full statement. And every time it appeared to me, every time that I got ready to talk or say something, it was about me being gabbled, or it was an issue or a problem. And all of my conversation was on the issue. It was not personal. I didn't attack anyone. I didn't. It was totally on my belief of what I was talking about. So I couldn't even I didn't even understand why it was such a drama on letting me finish, letting me express myself. I mean, that's a democracy, see. I mean when you're in council, when you're in Congress, when you're at the federal government, the state government, you are experiencing yourself on what your beliefs are. That's what democracy looks like. It's not about compliance or I want you to take my side or I want you to take your side. No, it's about both of us have difference perspectives, we bring them together. I'm explaining mine, you explain yours. Supports that. For some reason, I don't know, I just felt it's kind of brought back some of those days at the at Colinwood, you know, because I haven't been. You know, I've dealt with racism even in my adult life, even from after I left Colinwood and witnessed some of the burnings of the Superior And but it's a different type of racism that I come across now than I did when I was in high school. Because high school, they really wanted to hurt you physically, and I'm quite sure that still is out here. But as I've gotten older, it's not quite that as far as you know, trying to actually hurt you. Hurt you in my perspective far as my everyday life, and I know it's happening out there with other people, but just what I have encountered, it's been more of in my profession, it's been more. It's a different type of racism. It's more of a systemic racism and undercurrent racism or a racism that people think you don't see or you don't notice, or you have it but maybe you don't know you have it, but oh they're not going to tell that you have it. But I felt, I felt really taken back for a minute, because you know, sometimes the first time, the first thing when people get into your space, your first reaction is really to hit it's to actually swing or two to hurt, to launch out at someone because they're in your space. And thank god, I had the mindset of don't do that. You know it does, It will not make things right, it's going to make things worse with and even afterwards it was I can't even tell you how that felt, because that was totally unexpected too, especially with someone was six or five or six three or four standing over you and nose to nose, yelling and screaming at you, and you're trying to figure out what they're talking about. They're not giving you an opportunity to explain that. I wasn't with your wife like that. I saw her, she spoke to me, I spoke to her. That was it anything I had to say. They knew. If they did not understand my position, that's not my issue. It's not my issue because I've explained myself several several times on the diversity piece. I read it at the council meeting, I talked about it in our regular meetings. I talked about it whenever I could talk about it. So if people didn't understand where I was, that was not mine, that was not my problem, right right, So we're talking with councilwoman Cleveland, Cleveland Heights council woman to be the Russell Um. There's also been since this happened, you've gotten support in the community, not only in the community that you represent or the city that you represent, but also the larger Cleveland community as well. How did that make you feel that once this one just got out and you know, they were and people started finding out about it, and you started seeing that there were people who were who were supporting you on your affort, I felt really good. I really did, because first I started getting phone calls, It's like, what in the heck is going on? What is going on? And we read this in the paper. Then people started to view it on YouTube and you could see the whole dynamics on YouTube. People were angry, people were really upset. Number one, they felt that I was violated by someone moving into my space. That should have never happened. Most people have told me, who are public officials, like no one has ever done that. They don't even know if anyone ever doing that. And for her not to publicly apologize to you is a disgrace. Second of all, for her husband to come and attack you in that way, was totally unappropriate and totally not cool, especially in a black woman's face. And I received a lot of emails. I received a lot of prayers. I received a lot of phone calls saying, Hey, are you okay? Is there anything we can do for you? And surprisingly, I went to the Democratic Women's Caucus Sunday. Can you believe what the message to us? Inclusion, diversity among our city and rather, And I couldn't even hold myself because every time someone said it or spoke it, I was like, yes, said again, Yes, said again. So people in this room could hear that what we need to be doing is bringing everybody to the table. And last night we had a council meeting and the room was packed with people who were supporting me. I didn't even know they were coming, but I got wind of it, and a lot of people wanted me to ask for public at that meeting, for the council president and her husband to give me a public apology. And I thought about it, and I says, I'm not going to do that for the simple fact if a person doesn't do that automatically, I'm not going to force it because it's not genuine and I'm not I don't want to embarrass anyone or put them on the spot or think let my residents to think that, you know, I'm trying to create more chaos or division or problems. I'm not. So I didn't want to put her on the spot because if she had, if she had a chance to do me, she probably would because she did. But I felt that I could be better than that, you know. You know, I listened sometime to Michelle Obama. When they go low, you go high. Sometimes it's real hard to go high, I tell you. But at that time I knew as a public official, a person who is really truly trying to represent their residence, I had to be the bigger person. And believe me, things came across my mind that I couldn't I can't tell you on the air, even doing the same piece of her invading my space and her husband attacking me verbally. After the meeting was over, a lot of things was going through my head, and if you can imagine as an African American woman, some of those things that was going through my head. But I tried to be professional as much as I possibly could and try to stay on the right path of being a professional woman to show that I'm not going there with you, not today and not ever. I will. The people spoke for me yesterday and they were there in numbers from a lot of different organizations and my union people. They showed up. They was like, what is going on. This is not happening. This is not happening to our president is and city officials, others, other council presidents from other cities, uh, presidents from the organizations I belonged to. They were there in the room to find out what in the world was going on, to let people know. Okay, okay, but we're letting you know she has a lot of support out here and we're not going to tolerate her being misused or abused by just anybody. We're just not going to tolerate that. Yeah, I can imagine what the thought that was originally going through your head, because, as we discovered a couple of days ago, we're from the same neighborhood. So I know how you feel. I understand, yes, And I also want to want to compliment you on showing the amount of restraint that you did in that situation. Oh, thank you very much. And you know I don't I'm not here trying I'm not trying to bash my colleagues or I don't want to do that, because everybody has their own opinions and their own backgrounds of where they come from and what they believe in, and I'm not asking them to believe the way I believe. The only thing I'm saying is there's a democratic process. Everyone has a right to speak their democratic process and to say what it is they believe in and what they what their opinion is, and why they feel the way they feel. It's up to the people who are listening to either judge I support that or I don't support that. That's democracy. You can't shut people down because they are speaking out for what they believe in and believing. Is their opinion, is their perception, and is their reality. So you can't take that from people. And people have a right to speak their opinion on different different That's why why why you are? Why are we in politics? If we're not there to balance the playing field for our communities, or to speak up with the people who can't speak for themselves, or to fight for the residents who meet someone to be in the front line to fight for them, why are we here? Why are we here? The conclusion of our interview with Cleveland Heights Councilwoman to Vita Russell is up next here on the Outlaws. True sir, welcome back, Welcome back. You're listening to the Outlaws. Now, let's get to the conclusion of our interview with Cleveland Heights Councilwoman to Vita Russell. A couple more questions for you, and I appreciate you being a generous with your time. I know you've got a lot going on. Obviously, there was one and I know that there were several people who applied for this commission, and you know, and we kind of went through that, but there was one in particular that kind of stood out to me, and that was the guy from Case Western Reserve. Can you talk a little bit about that. Well, you know, people talk about race, but surprisingly I don't use race. I just put it this way. I don't use race in my regular conversation or in a discussion because I don't want to be perceived as using the race card just to use the race card. I think when you use the race card, you're supposed to be using the race card, but facts for something that is actually racist and for something that you can put your hand on and call it and say call the spade a spade, just like it is. I don't want to be perceived as, oh, she's always talking about race and you know all these things out here. It's not about race. It's about diversity for all people. Everybody has to be into the same has to fit at the same table to have a well rounded community. And the gentleman that I was advocating for, the two gentleman I was advocating for. Most people wouldn't believe this that West is a Caucasian. He lives among the African American in the Caledonia area. He don't have to. He is a assistant dean at Case Western Reserve, so I know he's competent and he helps that community tremendously. They I believe they try. They're trying to put together a group themselves, which he is helping them to put a group together to help clean up that community. We did an environmental clean up of the ravine. He brought twelve students from Case Western Reserve to help clean up that ravene. If it wasn't for him and his involvement in that community, where who's going to bring twelve people to do that on top of all of the African Americans and children and the Sewer district and everybody else who was there. And believe me, it was a mixed group of people. But who does that? Who does that? He cares for that community. So I could see the caring and what he has done for that community and what he's doing for that community. And I'm saying, Wow, you applied for this commission. You're the only one in this whole community that applied. Why not give him the opportunity? The other gentleman I was pushing for. He's African American and he lived in the Noble in the Taylor area, closer in the more the African American Jewish community, and he was very qualified. And I'm not saying that my colleagues didn't look or didn't consider them, But the way I read the charter, if there's one person that's coming from a geographical area that is not a part of the group, it's an automatic inclusion for me. So in my mind, my perspective, and people can think, I'll say I'm wrong, But when you say shell and an ordinance, and I get confirmation that I thought or felt that, I got confirmation when I asked the question. Then, to me, my perspective was that these two people should have been an automatic because they came from two different geographical areas of our city. I mean, it's just the fact that it escalated to that point when and like you said that most people who are listening, who are who know how laws work. When it says shall, that means you have to do it and not you can choose to do it. That's pretty much my reading and how everybody else is reading of it. You shall, And I just I don't understand how something like this, And I guess that's probably one of the things that a lot of people are asking, How could something like this in a city that's supposed to be progressive, How something like this could escalate to that extent when what you're all you're saying is to just be true to what you said on paper. We have done a lot of things to demonstrate diversity. Like I said, you know, we started with the legislation for George Floyd. We've done bank letters for Key Bank not doing what they're supposed to do. I mean, we paint. We have a rainbow bench in every park of Cleveland Heights. We have a rainbow painted across the high school for the intersection. We celebrate Martin Luther King's Day and our heritage, we celebrate the new June teenth. You know, all of those things are wonderful, and those things are good, and those things we should celebrate. We should do that all the time. Celebrate our heritage and who people are, and be proud of every single citizen that leaves in our car. But I just I just try to take it a step further. Whenever I can open a door for someone else, I want to be able to do that. Someone opened the door for me, so I have to try to open the door for someone else. And you know, it's not that people. I don't I really don't think that. I don't know. Maybe I view it as more passionateate than other people. Maybe people are just as passionate about it as me, and maybe don't see my viewpoint on it. I mean, that's all okay, But when I'm speaking of a piece of paper or a document that says shall in there and this council shall do this, it's that's a done deal for me, right, all right? So let everybody know if they want to keep up with what you got going on, how they can get in contact with you, if you got a website, if you're on social media all against stuff. Yes, I have a Facebook page as a councilwoman de Vita Russell on Facebook. I have an Instagram page as well. I'm actually doing a couple of tennant Landlord series as well as a pathway to home ownership for anyone who is interested. May I do a plug on that? Absolutely? All right? So for those who are interested. June eighth, at from six to eight pm at the Coventry Peace part I am hosting a strategy session to teach people how to get pre approved from a financial institution when it comes to purchasing your home, a dream home or a new home, you know, homes. For our population in African Americans, that's a generational wealth, something you can pass down from generations to generations, and we need to try to look into how we get there and having someone show us the words and the financial wit that we need to be able to say, hey, we can walk into a financial institution and get pre approval. So we're going to teach you all about those things. We have experts is coming in going to give you all the strategy information what you need of how to get to a yes for pre approval on June eighth from six to eight at the Coventry Peace Park, Then on June tenth at the Disciple Church on Mayfield Road. We're going to actually have all of the financial institutions there for you to actually talk to to get you preapproved, as well as relators who are going to be there to help you show you any homes within Cleveland Heights or any other city that you're interested in. But I'm starting with Cleveland Heights because I'm a councilperson in Cleveland Heights and I have been doing tenant landlords with Judge Costello because we have found that a lot of tenants and a lot of landlords are having a lot of disputes on what their rights are. So we want people to know as a tenant what your right is, what your rights are. We want people who are landlords to know what your rights are and what you can do and what you can't do. But we also want to arm the tenants with what their rights are as well. So these are things that we're doing to try to move people to home ownership. Pathway to home ownership, we got HUT involved. We have a lot of different people involved to help us with that, So I hope you come out and participate and all of this stuff we're doing alright, awesome stuff, awesome stuff. Thank you so much, council woman for coming off the show and spending time with us to really appreciate it. Thank you so very much. I appreciate dan. All Right, one more time, I want to send a special shout out and thank you to Cleveland Heights council Woman, to Vita Russell for coming on the show and spending some time with us. Really appreciate it. We are out of here. We'll see you next time. Peace. This has been a presentation of the FCB podcast Network, where real talk lifts. Visit us online at FCB podcasts dot com.
