This is the FCB podcast network break when they try job boot change at top. We don't listen to y'all this dud. We don't listen to y'all this d hotel. Make them scream out now, I gotta sound cause the ruckets in the crowd like a tune in the charge for the outdo tune in the charge for the Outlaw. Welcome to the Outlaws. This is Darvey ooda King been tomorrow along side rabbin On Mellley and Dante Briy. Don't forget too Like us on Facebook and Facebook dot com, Slash the Outlaws Radio, follow us on Twitter aka x and Instagram at the Outlaws Radio. Dante, how you know what, sir? I'm doing well? I uh, I had a stressful week. This long really felt like this week was eight days. Man. You know, got some oxtails, got beat up on some Michigan fans. Beat up there. It's been a pretty it's been a solid week. You've been on some trash. Now, now make this as quickly as you can. Briefly tell the people what you were doing to the Michigan fans, what this was about. Well, Ohio State has dominated the rivalry. And then Michigan decided that they were going to create an elaborate cheatings. Uh. There was an elaborate, an elaborate cheating scheme, and they got busted. And I've been letting them have it, and unfortunately for them, they used a uh an ex military hero, a veteran, a marine and UH, I just don't understand why they were set up a war hero to be the fall guy. Uh. This is outrageous behavior by those people up north. I wish I thought that people in Michigan have more respect for the truths. This is no disrespect to our Michigan listeners. No, we love y'all. College. We are disrespecting you because you couldn't beat Ohio State. He's talking about the university. Everybody in Michigan ain't necessarily University of Michigan fans. I can't tell them. I can't tell him. A Moving right along, Robin, how are you. I'm good. I'm good, just kicking it, chilling, having me a drink. Yeah, yeah, sounds like you need you need that drink. You've had an eventful week. No, I've had an eventful month. It has been Listen, you guys, between my car and my phone and everything is yeah, yeah, no names please, but just make sure y'all pray for Robins. Got lot of stuff going on, no names, got a lot of stuff going on. We have some things to discuss, h that we'll get to in just a little bit. But first, very special interview right now, all right, we have a very special guest on the show today. He is running for city council in the city of Broadview Heights here in Ohio. Shay Hawkins. Welcome. How you doing, sir. I'm doing great, doing great. I appreciate you taking the time to speak with me absolutely, man. You know you family, so I had to definitely wanted to make sure I got you in before the election. Man. We have so we have so many things to discuss, and we're gonna touch on your race in Broadview Heights in a minute. Well, at first, tell people a little bit about your background. You have an incredible story, You've accomplished a lot, you know, tell tell people a little bit about who Shay Hawkins is. Sure sure, sure, Well. I was born in the city of Cleveland, raised in a suburban Cleveen called Cleveland Heights. Did my my undergraduate degree down at the Ohio State University focused on in economics, went out to uh to New York to work in finance, worked for a couple of years for a large investment bank. Credit Sweee was blessed to get a full scholarship to Columbia Business School that was paid for by Credit Sweee. After business school, myself to my colleagues that I went to undergrad wate too, that I went to business school with. We hung our own shingolda Hawkins Capitol Group, and we were we were raising debt finance for small public traded companies. One of the people who I worked with in that venture and myself ended up joining a larger firm that focused on the same company, the same category of companies, small publicly traded companies, but did what they call sell side m and A, which is just selling smaller companies to larger ones. And I worked on that, you know, pretty much all through about two thousand and nine, you know, and my firm, although it was small smaller, was not unaffected by the financial crisis. And so that kind of rocky time caused me to consider pivoting at some point in the public service. You know, I wanted to give at least a couple years of my time to kind of go to Capitol Hill and help preserve this free enterprise system that had given me so much. You know, when I came out of undergrad at Ohio State and moved out to New York, I was able to earn and save and give in ways and I never would have thought possible when I was growing up in Northeast Ohio. And so, you know, the financial crisis really kind of shook a lot of people's confidence in our free enterprise system. And so I said, well, a lot of this stuff I probably could have helped with had I been in place, you know, just based on the background in some of the education I had been blessed with thus far. So I came back to Ohio, went back down to the Ohio State University and got my law degree and went to work for Congressman Jim Renesi, who was a Cleveland area congressman who sat on what they call the Ways and Means Committee. So the Ways and Means Committee is the primary tax writing committee in the US House of Representatives. And so I went out to work for him and helped him develop a comprehensive tax plan. And so his plan was, you know, it was very thorough and you know, we were out there promoting it, me and the rest of his team, with the goal of getting some elements of Congressman Renece's plan into the final tax reform bill. And so as I was promoting that plan, I got onto the radar of Senator Tim Scott from South Carolina. Now, Senator Scott knew that he was going to be critical in the development of the Senate side tax reform bill. He knew he was going to be critical in that development, and so he needed to identify a strong tax council, you know, a tax policy advisor, tax attorney, whatever you want to call it, you know, to help to help draft the parts of the bill that he was going to be responsible for. Now, the interesting thing and the reason why Senator Scott has such an outsized role in tax reform is at this time, this is you know, twenty and seventeen, and earlier in twenty seventeen, the Republicans failed to repeal Obamacare. That was a big thing that Republicans had run on in both the House and the Senate for years, and they passed the repeal in the House, but we surprisingly failed to pass the repeal in the Senate. If you recall. I don't know if you recalled, but John McCain gave a very dramatic thumbs down, thumbs down, yeah, right there on the floor. Yeah. And so that kind of caught you know, the Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell and the Chair of the Senate Finance Committee at the time, Orrin Hatch. Uh. That caught them by surprise, you know. And so going into tax reform, which was another big priority, they wanted to make sure that they had a a pulse, a finger on the pulse of the entire Republican Caucus and knew where all of the members were and understood that all of the members were in a good place regarding the bill that was being developed. And so what that resulted in is Chairman Hatch selecting three three key members of the Senate, two that that broadly represented the mentalities of the caucus so that they could reach out to their people and make sure everybody was on the same page, on the right page. So Chairman hats chose Senator Tim Scott from South Carolina, our former Senator here in Ohio, Rob Portman, and then Senator to Me from Pennsylvania, and then finally Senator Hatch wanted a member of leadership, and so he chose he chose the at that time Republican Conference Chair now Minority Whip John Thune and so from South Dakota. And so, you know, those people comprised what was the called the Core Four, and those were the four senators that drafted the Senate side tax reform bill, and the Senate side bill you know, ended up being the overwhelming majority of the bill overall. And so so it was a real blessing for me to be out there at that time because you know, the political party that I belonged to had control over the House, Senate and the Presidency, and we were able to get a once in a generation tax reform bill through, you know, through Congress and then signed by the President. And the thing is, the way you know that what we did was special is that we pushed you know, we pushed the bill through. Obviously, the Democrats fought it, you know, to the extent they could, but almost none of the bill has been changed once the Democrats came into full control. Does that make sense? The idea is, you know, you did something that was objectively right, you know, when you push it through and then nobody tries to change it afterwards, because that's like, that's like folks acknowledging that this was all stuff that needed to happen. You know, it's just kind of you know, it's kind of their job to resist a little bit, you know, if you're in the opposite party, and so yes, so so that was really exciting. I was Center Scott's tax council during the process. Like I said, it was his words, my hands on the parts of the bill that he was responsible for. And so a lot of the areas that dealt with individual taxation, taxation of individuals and families fell within Center Scott's purview. So that included all of the rules around investing, you know, in capital gains and things like that. But it also dealt with things like the expansion of the child tax credit, which we were proud that we doubled the child tax credit and made made significant parts of that tax credit what they call refundable, which is just to say that it's not just a credit against the taxes you owe, but even if you don't owe taxes, then you actually get a cash payment depending on what your situation is. And we're also proud that we doubled the standard deduction from just over six thousand to just over twelve thousand. And what that did is that put ninety seven percent of Americans in a position where they don't have to itemize, you know, they could just you know, move forward with a simple return. So we wanted to make the tax code simpler, more fair, and you know, and flatter, and so we were proud. We reduced taxes at every level of income, and we were able to lower the corporate rate from thirty five percent, which was the second highest in the world. Only China had a higher corporate rate, and we lowered that down to twenty one percent. And that that bill ended up creating the best economy for minorities of all types, Hispanics, Asians, and women, the best economy for people in those categories in US history, lowest unemployment rate for African Americans US history, and so very proud of that, and also of a little policy in there that was small when we put it in, but it really has taken off called opportunity zones. And what that policy allows is it allows investors, whether they be corporations or individuals, that have a capital gains tax liability. So if you have a house, that house doubles in value and you sell it, you know, the difference in where you bought the house and where you sold it. As a capital game, you would normally owe about twenty percent, about a twenty percent tax on that. What opportunity Zone says is that if you reinvest that entire capital gain into a distressed rural or urban community across America, then you can defer payment of that capital gain for ten years, which is which is a big deal. And so we let governors designate the census tracks that were eligible. About half the city of Cleveland's eligible and about there's about six census tracks down in Summit County in the Akron area that are eligible as well. And in the first three years after tax reform, just the first three years, fifty billion dollars has gone into these into these zones. And that's according to a report from last December from President Biden's Treasury Secretary Channet Yellen. So she put out a report looking at the performance of Opportunity zones in its first three years through the COVID year, and fifty billion dollars with a b inequity has gone into these zones. And obviously, you know when those are when you're doing real estate projects that that gets looked, that gets levered up, as they say, and so you're looking at hundreds of billions of dollars invested. And the other interesting thing is that in a separate study, it was noted that while the property values in opportunity zones on average went up, which is good because about seventy percent of the property and opportunity zones is owned by existing residents, people who live there already, so it's good because they're getting a property value increase. However, rents did not increase over this period. And so what that tells us is that even though property values are going up, the areas are not necessarily being gentrified, right, And that's because that's because the stock, the overall supply of new housing because of opportunity zones is increasing. So you know, if you increase the supply of places that can be rented and the rents won't rise, and so very exciting. You know, we're working on some legislation now. I run a little trade association that helps promote this opportunity zone policy called the Opportunity Association, and this you know, we're working on some legislation to extend and expand the opportunities on policy, and to add in some transparency and reporting requirements, to require Treasury to more formally and in detail study the economic performance of opportunities zones so that we can make the policy even better and serve even more people in distress communities, you know, making their lives better in terms of job creation in these zones, in terms of overall poverty alleviation, in terms of getting better services to the zones. You know, you have these areas where there won't be a grocery store for miles even though you're in the middle of a city, and so they call those food deserts. You've probably heard that term before, you know. So there's all kinds of things that can be dealt with, you know, through this policy, and you know, of course it has its haters and critics. Those people obviously aren't using data because like I said, you know what comes from the trade you saw, it came from the Treasury Department. But the the people who are not criticizing it are governors and mayors, folks in these cities who are seeing things happen in their city that would normally require tax dollars to be spent, you know, and so those folks are all for it, and so we're hoping we can get it extended and expanded. And so that that, uh, you know, that brings me up to today. You know, I've been very blessed, you know, very blessed in my life, you know, blessed with some great experience. It's you know, blessed to get a great education here in Ohio. Like I said, I did cheat on the Big ten for one degree, but that's just because I got a full scholarship to Columbia Business School, and you know, and just have had this community has always had my back. And so you know, I want to help you know, the country in terms of the work that that I was able to do in tax reform and and some other work you know, in during the renegotiation of NAFTA, but doing everything I can to hope to help in my local local community as well. And so so it's exciting, absolutely so. And and we're gonna we're gonna transition to that in just a second. But I just want to ask you real quick now, the opportunities on legislation is probably one of the things that you're known that you're known the most for yes, talk about what it's like, man, what it feels like to see to be a part of that, to have written it and to see it implemented in how it's helped people. You know, talk about how that makes you feel to see the success of something like that that's actually having a real impact on people's lives. Man, it's great. It really is special some of the folks. You know, a lot of the work on Capitol Hill involves meeting with different stakeholders, people from your home state, people from other states. You know, people who have an interest in the legislation that's being drafted and things like that. We had a lot of key meetings during tax Uphone. They were twenty four to seven where you're basically representing the member of Congress that you work for, you know, in those meetings, and people would always emphasize people who have been around Capitol Hill. They're like, you could have been on Capitol Hill fifteen years and never had the chance to work on legislation. Is significant as what we did in taxi form, you know, just because the pieces have to come together, so you know, and it's such a timely fashion. Your party has to be, you know, in power the American people have to be desirous of what you guys want to do. You know, it's really it's really a special thing. And opportunity zones was not a top priority during the drafting process. We were dealing with a one point five trillion dollar tax bill, and opportunity zones was you know, a to two billion dollars you know, two billion dollars over ten years proposition. That's what we thought, you know, in terms of what it would cost the government of tax dollars. And you know, so I had to literally work on opportunity zones quote unquote in my spare time, which I didn't have. I have a lot of that now, you know. And Senator Scott always jokes that if I got a cold during tax reform and missed two days of work, opportunity zones wouldn't exist. Wow. And so you're talking about just in the first three years. You know, we hope that fifty billion dollars would come in over ten years. We now know that fifty billion dollars came in just in the first three years, and that you know that that capital is changing lives. I mean, it's already most successful community development policy in American history. Wow. And so you know, knowing that I was able to be a part of that, you know, it's exactly what I wanted when I said, Hey, I'm going to take a couple of years of pivot to public service. You know, it is exactly the type of impact that I wanted to have. And I feel blessed, you know, because you know, the Lord put the right put me with the right person who was in the right position, and then I was prepared over the years, you know, my skill set for that for that moment, you know, and so it really is, uh, in some ways, kind of a capstone in my career. And it's really amazing. People here in Cleveland who are touching the policy, dealing with it in one way or the other, are particularly proud, you know, they are particularly proud that a Clevelander it was so instrumental to this process. And like I said, them being proud makes me all the more proud. So yeah, it's it's something. It's really amazing, And like I said, I just feel blessed because because there's so many moving parts. So you can be the smartest guy, you can be hard working, you know, you can you know, you can have the best ability to interact with other staffers and be the most personal or whatever. But you know, if the timing is not right, then that stuff really doesn't matter. And so I feel blessed not just to have been prepared, but also to have been out on Capitol Hill at the right time, right exactly. These days, it seems like everybody's talking, but no one is actually listening to the things they're saying. Critical thinking isn't dead, but it's definitely low on oxygen. Join me Kira Davis on Just Listen to Yourself every week as we reason through issues big and small, critique our own ideas, and learn to draw our talking points all the way out to their logical conclusions. Subscribe to Just Listen to Yourself with Kira Davis and FCB Radio podcast on Apple, on Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcasts, Talk cel Conversations. We Got the Heat. This is the out Lost radio show. We're talking with Shaye Hawkins, who is running or city council in Broadview Heights, Ohio, which is a suburb here Cleveland. So let's talk about that. Man. What made you decide to run for city council in Broadview Heights? Yes, sir, so I you know, I worked for Senator Scott. And once, you know, once a legislation is passed, then the Treasury Department, you know, if it's a tax piece of tax legislation, they then put in place regulations to implement the legislation that was passed. And so once I was certain that the regulations around opportunity zones were in a good place, I left Cenator Scout's office, founded the Opportunity Funds Association, and moved back home. See how I could make a contribution here. I ran in twenty twenty against an incumbent state representative in what they call a D plus six, which is just to say that all things being equal, a Democrat should win the district by six points. And I wanted because I knew, I mean, I ran because I knew that there were significant parts of the district, you know, that had a significant black population, particularly a great city called oak Wood. And I knew that a typical Republican would probably get about ten of the black votes in a district like this. And I knew that, you know, as an African American, even if my opponent was African American, I could get double a triple at and that that would allow me to make up the difference in the fact that, you know, the district had a Democratic lean overall, and so, you know, I decided to run. We ran a great campaign, knocked on thirty thousand doors, made thirty five thousand phone calls, ran handing love with the Congressman, Dave Joyce, who had never won this district, this this State rep district before, but he wanted about fifty one running with us. And in that race, I outran President Trump by twelve points, but lost the State Rep race by two. But in any case, it was it was a great experience, and I won the Republican primary overwhelmingly. I beat a thirty thirty four year at large Highland Heights councilman, And that was really something because I've often heard people joke that white Republicans don't like doing anything more than voting for black Republicans, and I think that's I think that's really the case because in the primary against you know, another attorney who had been an elected office here for thirty four years. You know, I won the primary overwhelmingly, you know, and so in that process I performed particularly well in Broadview Heights. There's eighteen cities in the there's eighteen cities in the district. I won sixteen cities, but I lost in lynn Hurst and I lost in Solon and those are those are pretty large city, so that that's what caused me to lose overall. But I performed really well in Broughfew Heights, and so I decided I was gonna move here. And you know, if I ran for office again, you know, I would do it from here. If I didn't, then I just knew I'd be living around a lot of folks who really you know, who really support the way I approach things, you know. And yeah, So I moved here a few years ago, and you know, I have really loved it, you know, put an offer in on the home here. But in twenty twenty two, my opponent, who is the council president here in Broady Heights, forced a tax increase onto the ballance. So it's a forty percent increase and the taxes associated with certain types of services in the city. And ostensibly they did it to build a fire station, but they went way beyond what was needed in terms of the cost of fire station. And then on top of that, instead of using money that was available they decided they were going to raise taxes on taxpayers. So you know, people's property taxes would have gone up, you know, hundreds annually, but obviously thousands, you know, over years, and they would use that to pay for this this this very expensive station. And so I voted against that, and so did the rest of brow hikes. It ended up going down, ended up getting voted down sixty forty by twenty points. But the thing is is that when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. So the council president is not a sophisticated guy economically, and so you know, I felt that he was likely that he was going to put that tax back on the ballot in twenty twenty four, and so if he was re elected in twenty three. So I went to the two councilmen who are also you know who also was against even putting the tax in a ballot, Glenn Goodwin and Joe Price, and said, well, what can I do here? You know, I'm trying to own a home here, and and you know this tax is obviously going to be put back on And they said, look, run for council and so you know, that's what I'm doing. You know I have. I've been blessed, you know, as we discussed, with a really a really great background in terms of experience and education, and so I will have the ability to maintain our city services, which they are great down here in broad Yites, maintain our city services without unnecessary tax increases. So I say unnecessary. It's not as if there's never a time or place or season for a tax increase. It's just to say that if you're pro taxpayer, then you should be able. You should be using your full intellectual all of your network, all of your resources to avoid raising taxes on residents. You know, particularly during the time of inflation. We have a lot of seniors in this community who are living on a fixed income and they can't be you know, they can't just dip in and pay more every time you want to build something on a whim. And so you know, I'm just running in order to protect taxpayers and obviously, you know, put myself personally in a position to be able to afford to live here while maintaining, like I said, the great services that we have. Uh, and so that that that that's really my priority here, you know, I want to keep this community affordable from a tax perspective, and I want to keep keep our services strong. We're talking with Shaye Hawkins, who is running for Broadview Heights a city council and Uh, in your race, well before that, so when you were working on tax reform and you worked on the opportunities owns, you did something historic and now in this race if you win, when you win, you'll do something historic again. So we were talking before the show that when you get elected, you be the first African American on council, and I believe you'd be the first African American elected in the Cuyahoga Valley in general. Talk talk about what that's like man to be able to make history once again. Uh, in your career should you should you be elected, and what that says about the voters and what that says about the city that you're running in. I know the city is changing politically, it is. It was a democratic city. There's still a lot of democratic elected officials in it, and now it's transitioning to a Republican city. So talk a little bit about what what that means to potentially make history like that. Yeah, No, it's uh, it's it really is exciting. When I ran for State rep. I won the city, have brought View Heights by twelve points and won Ward four where I'm running by sixteen. And so you know, this city, you know, has has supported me before. And there's a lot of diversity in the city, you know, you know, there really is both ethnic and racial, and so I was surprised, you know, when I spoke. You know, we have a Broadview Heights Conservative Club here, and you know, a couple of the endorsed Republicans are partner members of it. A couple of the folks that encouraged me to run for council, particularly at large councilman Joe Price. And Joe Price noted he said, this is historic. Uh he said, look, you know, you're going to be the first minority of any kind ever elected to any office in Broadview Heights. And so that that was really fascinating to me. And I started to research, you know, about the other cities, you know, in the Cayogar Valley, Independence Valley View, you know, Seven Hills and Brexville brought View Hikes, you know, and then even you know, the Cayoga Valley extends even in the Summit County, Northern Summit County and you know, it looks like I would be, you know, the first African American elected in the Cayoga Valley period in this region that's not just this city, and that is very you know, very exciting because you know, not only would not only would I be able to you know, protect taxpayers, not only would I be able to maintain the services of one of the best cities in Kyagara County. You know, you're looking at twenty thousand residents. You know, it was it's got a very interesting culture because it's got a it was designed you know for you know, as a community kind of like below four eighty as it were, to kind of be almost almost have a rural feel, even though it's only nineteen minutes from downtown. And so a very interesting culture. You know, the uh, the house that I'm looking to buy as a little well on the front yard. You know, I don't know that this operational, so two point two point seven h seven acres, and so it's got a great culture. So it would be great to represent this area. But on top of that, you know, to be able to really, you know, really make history as the first African American, you know, it'll just it'll just emphasize the place where this uh you know, where this city already is, you know, politically and culturally, and it's just really really exciting. Broadview Heights was a key stop on the Underground railroad and so you know, you see, you know, you see those kind of bits of history, and you know this will bring some of that full circle. I'd love to kind of be in a a in an official position to lean into some of that history. Wow. Wow, that's amazing, man, that's amazing. So as we get ready to start to win things down here, I know you're you're a big ten guy, and you know so Dante is also a big ten guy. So with that, we're gonna transition a little bit because I know he has a question h that ain't got nothing to do with what we've been talking about, but he's gonna go ahead and ask me. Go ahead, Shade, so as a first and foremost because you are also a buck eye. Oh h I oh that's right. So our our rivals to the north are in some some hot water because they could they did all of this cheating because they couldn't beat us. So just just really quick, because we you know, we every you know, this is not as important as what's going on. But what's your thoughts on that man? Do you actually want to see Hardball suspended or do you want to make him coach without our you know, without our signs? Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So So here's the thing. We we we know why he's shooting. We know why he's shooting. And as badly as as his record is against us, I almost don't even blame him, you know, I mean the guy, you know, you know, the guy had to do something. He was on the verge of being fired, and so you know, he's cheating to win in a number of areas and overall, you know, her Herball has demonstrated some really poor judgment. You know, he tried to hire Joe Shimbckler's son. Turns out the guy's got a whole bunch of racist tweets out there. He just had one of his staff caught up in some sort of some sort of catcher predator tole scandals, so they had to they had to fire him. You know. So these are all people that that that he's hiring, including it looks like he hire some people that obviously steal signs, you know, and so you know, some of these coaches for doing others have the receipts, and so you know, you really don't want to see these guys blow through, you know, kind of on a you know, on a falsified record and then be successful. You don't want to see it. But on the other hand, you know, on the other hand, I feel like it's it's very it's a lot to ask the authorities to suspend them before they conclude their investigation. And you know, for us, I feel like if you let the season play out, then Harball and the people who are helping them. You know, I don't blame the players, but Harball and the people who are helping them do wrong are going to get what they deserve, meaning on the field too, yep. And so my inclination is to let the investigation play out. Let it play out, and you know, he should get as severe punishment as is available given what comes back. That's that's what I said too. I I don't want him suspended. I want him to I want to coach it straight up because clear, the results are clear, right, the results before and after are very clear, very clear, and no nobody in Columbus, no, no buck, I felt we're not afraid of that guy, right, like, you know, we we dominated him. He was on the verge of getting fired, like you said, And I just want him to coach you straight up because I I mean, the last two years have been kind of weird right where it's like we, I mean, we dominated this guy, We dominated this program. You know, what was it seventeen and one or something like that, and then all of a sudden, two straight years, you guys are three four touchdowns better than us, like I don't know, and then this happened and now we find out why. So so yeah, I just I just want to just take on that as a oh yeah, now he tried to run from us during the COVID year. Know, yep, they forget They conveniently forget about that part too. Oh forty five guys had COVID. Yeah, okay, Shane, let him know how to get more information about your campaign, follow you on social media all that, guests, Yes, yes, yes, so yeah. So website for the campaign. It's very simple. It's just Shayhawkins dot com s A H A y H A w K I n s dot com. Uh, and so you know, you go there, you know, get you know, check out my introductory video and get some more detailed information about my background and what I want to do in Broadview Heights. Can also see all of my endorsements. You know, proud to be endorsed by at large Councilman Joe Price, Proud to be endorsed by Governor Mike DeWine, you know who won the ward about fifty two points. And we got some other great local endorsements, uh, the Cuyoga County g o P, the Broadview Heights Republicans, and the Cuyahoga Valley Republicans. So a lot, a lot of great support and uh looking to push hard. On Twitter, I'm Shaye Underscore Hawkins on score oh and then on Instagram just Shae Hawkins. Oh. Any if you want to email me directly on the campaign stuff, it's uh Shayhawkins oh at gmail dot com. So looking forward to it. If you know anybody and brought you Heights, please let them know out to vote for Shake Hawkins. Otherwise you could just pray for me that uh, you know, the Lord brings everybody to and from the polls safely and that we have a good, nice fair election. All right, man, thanks so much man for coming on the show. We're rooting for you man. I'm looking forward to seeing your victory on Tuesday. All right, thanks so much, Darby, I appreciate it. All right, stay tuned, we have more to come. We'll be right back with Tea Time with Row here on the Outlaws. This is the Outlaws Radio Show. Welcome back, Welcome back. Listen, So the Outlaws, and now was the time of the show that we like to call Tea Time with Rowe turned up the latest celebrity news and gossip. It's Tea Time with Row on the Outlaws Radio Show. Hey, y'are so here on Tea Time today. We have a lot of tea. I don't know if it's on air or off air, but we got the tea. So we're gonna start out with Megan thee Stallion. So Megan thee Stallion Fans drag party soon Fontaine, if I'm saying his name correctly, do not come for me if I did not, after she seemingly exposed him allegedly exposed him on a new song called Cobra, where she says caught him cheating getting his the sucked in the same spot I sleep in. Wow, messy, messy, messy MESSI but you know what, I will tell you guys this about the song because I heard a little more than just that that part of the song. Basically, so you know how a lot of us we tend we've been complaining about, you know, a lot of the new the rap artists, a lot of the songs and stuff, especially the females. And in this song, I mean, her video doesn't go with the words. It's more her video seems sexual, but the words she based it almost appears she's crying out for help because she's talking about, yeah, I'm popular, but are who? Who? Why would somebody so popular or want to pick herself out? She used different words, but I'm not gonna hoh that into that depth. But so she's basically talking like suicide, harming herself, things like that, depression in this song. Wow. So it's a very deep song. So, you know, the interesting thing about Meg, I think that separates her from some of the other female rappers that we talk about. She can actually rap, like Next has bars, She can actually rap. I don't know what, you know, I don't know what she's dealing with, what she's going through. You know, we we pray that she finds healing whatever she's dealing with. But back to the like Dante, is there another Is there a more disrespectful way to cheat than to do what she's alleging that he did. That's pretty damn respectful. Yeah, that's that's wrong. And you know, I'm a I'm a big MEGANI Stallion fan. I don't listen to Megan's music, but I'm a you know, just a big fan, so on her side. No matter what whatever she said, he did, he did it. I'm rooting for and praying for mad because I'm a MEGANI Stallion fan. He watches the videos on Mute Ladies And what was what? What was that video? Robin? You said she got a new video? What was the name of it? Uh? Not the one I'm talking about right, You're talking about an she got any new MEGANE. Stallion video. I just needed to just take it for research purposes. Yes, she does have a new song. I cannot think of the song right now. Hold up, I'm gonna pull you up. I'm pull it up for you. I got you Yeah, you can. You can text it to me, but just for research for I just need to, you know, just to I like to stay up to date with what's going on in the culture terrible. Let me ask you, Robin, is there a more disrespectful man way for a man to cheat on a woman then to do that? See that's how I feel like altogether it's disrespectful. But I don't think so because in my bed, yeah, in your bed, like, that's fine, that's foule. Listen, I listen. I ain't gonna say where this idea came from, but like this, I will literally glitter bomb his entire car. Do you know how hard it is to get the glitter out? It's very hard? Uh? So let me just say this, uh to the men that are listening. Brothers. First of all, you know, I don't recommend cheating period, Like you're you're an adult. If things ain't working, you can leave. You don't have to cheat. It causes too many problems. But if you're gonna cheat, your damn show, shouldn't do it in her bed. Like some women gonna be nice about that and just leave and be upset and heard and cry, and some women gonna key your car, and some women gona gonna cut your stuff off. So you never really know what kind of woman you got until you do something like that. And you see how they react. So I'm just saying, friendly advice from your neighborhood kingpin, don't do that. You have no idea what kind of woman you're dealing with until you do something like that, So just don't take the risks brothers. Next, all right, So next is so Akon threatens to sue sug Knight for claiming he sexually abused a thirteen year old girl. He quote unquote, he says, it's unfortunate that I have to defend myself from these lies. So I'm a deafer Records fan. I've been a different Records fan my whole life. You know, Sugar is an interesting character because there's some good qualities and some bad qualities about him. He's a really really smart, smart guy. IRV got he made the kind at once who's friends with Sugar? He said, you know, sug is brilliant. The only problem with Sugar is that he loved being a gangster too much and that's led him, you know, down the path that he's been in and getting in some of the situations that he's been in and all that stuff. Now, Dante, if you're Akon and someone makes that that sort of allegation. You kind of have to sue, don't you. You don't want that getting stuck on your name. Now, what's the what's the background here? I didn't even how I know each other, but I don't know what I can give you that background? Go ahead, Okay, So it's saying I need to make it very clear that I absolutely deny these these outrageous, false and disgusting claims sug Knight made on his podcast about me. He began saying, that's right, hold on, Robin, and I just want to tell everybody Suge Knight has a podcast from jail. That's right, he's in. But what exactly did he say? Like, what what what allegations are are? Is he saying? So I'm gonna listen, hold on. I've never called or received or had any contact with Suge Knight since he has been incarcerated. My voice that you heard on his podcast was a sound bite previously recorded from an interview I did with DJ vladd three years ago regarding Sugar Knight in two thousand and nine. So there, that should be your answer. So this sounds like it's some get back. Yeah, yeah, that's some get back. But yeah, just just just for the record. Yeah, I forgot about that. Suge Knight has a podcast from person what exactly did? What is exactly did he say? Like what is he a legend? That agent a khon? Like you know what I'm saying, what is he? What is he doing? He's saying that he had messed with a thirteen year old little girl back in the day and should and they had a a fake recording. Yeah. He basically they threw some things together from an old interview and called it what it was. Yeah, he's saying that after sue and if that's the you can and that's a pretty big, you know, thing to say about somebody. Yeah, that's a hell of an allegation. You gotta yeah, like you you could be looking at life, you could be looking at death penalty like you know, and you know, you know, because the statute of limitations, like forget about just the criminality, like dude, do you miss name? Yeah? Horrible, Like okay, you might not go to prison like okay, say you know if somebody says that you raped somebody twenty five years ago, like no, you're not gonna go to jail for it. I mean, it's just statute of limitations. But forget about the statute of limitation. Are you a rapist? Do you children? Like? That's horrible? Forget about pay cancel. Yeah, you can't get off of that if that By the way, if anybody's interested the uh the name of the podcast. The name of the podcast is Collect Call with shouldn't he got too many health problems to still be doing this? Why is Man's name always in some messy stuff? Because, like, like IRV God, he said, he just he loved being a gangster too much. He can't let it go. He's still a gangster. He's still doing gangster stuff. Like you, he don't even sound like gangster stuff. It sounds like he's just a cornball that likes drama. Well, I'm gonna leave that alone. I'm not gonna say that because I said it, but no, I was gonna respond, I was gonna say something. Okay, Okay, I'm not gonna say that because you're not gonna get me in trouble. However, sug is messy. He's always been messy, and you know, but now he got he got downloads to get Man he's in He's in our world now, even though he's in jail. You know, Collect Call with Shug Night. I ain't gonna lie to you. I'm gonna check out the first episode. Now, I'm gonna check out to see what's going on. Oh, mixt so, next and final. So Lauren London will reportedly be paid five point six million and received fifty percent of Marathon Clothing Company from nip Nipsey Household's estate on behalf of their son Cross also the I'm gonna I think I believe, I'm gonna assume because it does not state here, but that he does have another child, so the other fifty percent will go to the child. Yeah, I think that's that was a huge loss, huge loss in the culture when we lost Nipsey. But Danca, I think it's it's it's really dope that because I'm sure there were probably some arrangements, you know, beforehand or whatever I think it was that. I think it's really dope that he was able to to set his children up, and because I'm sure both of his kids got something, but he was able to set his children up, so neither one of them will have to worry even though you know their father's gone, you know, they'll still be taken care of. Well, he did what a real man. That's supposed to do in all situations, dead or alive, you're supposed to you gotta take care of your family. That's what That's what a real man does. And that's that's one of the reasons why I have nothing but praise. Obviously Nipsey from a from a music standpoint, I think he was setting himself up to really be you know that dude, really be one of those guys that could crossover be a stuff like I really think he would setting himself up like, man, you listen to Victory Lap and there's some of the stuff that before that, it's like, well he you know, I think, and I was talking to some people about this, I think that if he could have had, you know, a career that set up after Victory Lap, people could look back thirty years later and be like, wow, Victory Lap may have been like his reasonable doubt. That's where I think that that's the kind of trajectory I think that he was on. But you know, unfortunately he was taken away do the violence. But I just respect I always, and you know, Darby, we've talked about this in other situations where you know, no matter what you have going on, no matter how big you think you are. No matter how married to any movement, you may be your number one job as a man. If you have a lady in your life, a wife and children, you got to provide for them and check, you know, first and foremost. So even in death, he stood on his business. I respect that absolutely, absolutely, Robin, any last words. Honestly, yeah, I think that that's dope, you know, because the first and foremost, Yes, his children are priority, first priority. As far as Lauren London, you know, I really respect the fact that you know, she still stood ten toes down, uh for him, even even life after death. You know she's not out here, she's not doing anything, she's not dating. I mean, as far as we know, you know, so I think it's it's very much deserved. So yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right, stay tuned. We have Dante's hot takes coming up next here on True Sah. Welcome back you listening to the Outlaws. Make sure that you subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcasts. And if you listen to this show on Apple, please make sure you leave us a five star review and a comment is very important for the algorithm. And for those of you who've already done so, thank you oh so very much. And now is the time of the show that we like to call Nante's hot takes, telling the truth. Whether you like it or not, it's Dante's hot takes on the Outlaws Radio show. So every time I look at my timeline and I see anything regarding libertarians or libertarianism, it's either some completely ridiculous economic or social theory that has never been put into practice for good reason, or recently, more along the lines, just straight up racism. We talked about it a while ago on the show when the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire and other members of the Libertarian Party just on Twitter just basically doubled and tripled down on racist comments made towards Ohio's very own Nina Turk, where they essentially likened her stance of what free health care or something like that, towards chattle slavery and basically essentially told her to go pick cotton. Well, then I look at the timeline again and they doing it all over again with DARBYO tell what happened today. Libertarians got stupid, That's what happened. But that's not saying very much. You gotta be a little men. These are people that will tell you that they shouldn't have you know that, I'm not even gonna go ahead, that's all right, I'm gonna just keep it all the way one, okay where this goes right, and it's just about to go there a little bit, all right. Now. This is not to every libertarian. I know a couple of them that I like and respect and we cool. This is not to every libertarian, but the Libertarian Party as an institution is a joke. There are a lot of libertarians who are fundamentally unseerious when it comes to political conversations. First of all, you have people to this day still debating about the Civil Rights Act, you know, the act that was passed by Congress in nineteen sixty four to make sure that the rights of black people were protected. Yeah. That there was a guy on my timeline right before we started the show who was a libertarian arguing about whether there was any validity to the Civil War. It is this infantile, childish naive mentality that if everybody, if the if if government goes away, if police goes away, if there's no structure to human society at all that everybody will just sit and get together and hold hands and will all be happy because everybody will just be able to sit and snort cocaine all day there. And furthermore, I don't even like having a conversation with the Libertarian Party because you have no power. It is a waste of my time you have. As a matter of fact, Dante, I pulled it up. I was just curious. We're gonna go through these numbers here real quick, and let's take a look at the number of elected Libertarians in office. We're not talking about you know, dog Catcher and po dunk organ or something. Well, let's look at let's look at these these numbers here. Hey, Dante, you want to take a guess at how many seats the Libertarian Party has in the Senate in the United States Senate, I'm going to go under three. No, no, no, no, it's not that many. It's less than is it one? It's not even one. They don't have any, do they zero? Yeah, they don't have any. You want to take a guess at how many seats in the House of Representatives that they have. I'm going to say it's a few more in there. So I'm gonna say less than ten. Out of four hundred and forty five members, they have zero. You want to take a guess out of how many state governorships they control zero zero seats and state upper chambers. Oh, that's an interesting one, because I'm sure it's gotta be at the organ is full of nuts, so it's got to be at least a couple of organs. Out of one thousand and nine and seventy two seats, the Libertarian Party has zero. Oh not even in I'm sorry for this is nationwide, yest of you guys, zero seats and state lower chambers. Out of five thousand, four hundred and eleven seats, the Libertarian Party has one. Wow. Territorial governorships from the territories out of five zero seats. Seats in the territorial upper chambers out of ninety seven seats, they have zero. Seats. In the territorial lower chambers out of ninety one they have zero. So what are we talking about here? Why are we even having a conversation because none of the things that you want to do you can implement because you have no power. You're not elected anywhere in any seat that matters. Yeah, you got a couple city council seats here, and there might be a dog catcher seat in there somewhere, But in the seats that matter, in the cities that matter, the suburbs that matter, the rural areas that matter, the states, in any of the states, in any of the seats that matter, you have nothing. So what are we talking about? And then on top of that, you have the audacity, the unmitigated goal, to talk about black outreach with the Libertarian Party last time I checked. Now, look, this show has been very critical of both Democrats and Republicans when it comes to black outreach, and if you follow me on social media, you know that I go even further than that on the show on social media, I've been very critical of the Republican Party when it comes to black outreach or lack thereof. But the Libertarian Party is worse. You're worse. You have people who are openly saying that there shouldn't be a Civil Rights Act, there was no need for the Civil War, all of this foolishness, not to mention all of the other kookie things that the Libertarian Party believes in, when they can agree enough on what they actually believe, because that's another problem that you have. You ask five libertarians what you believe, you get what do they believe? You get five different answers. So here's my thing, and I said this on social media. I don't have a problem with you being in the Libertarian Party. I think as black people specifically, and for purposes of this conversation, that's what we're talking about. I think for black people specifically, we should have representation in every room, whether that's the Democrats, the Republicans, or the Libertarians, because we need somebody in the room to advocate for our interests. So I'm not mad at that. If you think you can do good over there, go over there and do good. But the problem that I have with libertarians, and the thing that pisses me off about libertarians is they think that everybody else who does not subscribe to their ideology is stupid, ignorant, or loves authoritarianism, just because some of us are not willing to waste our vote to a political party that has In this entire United States of America, you have seven hundred thousand members nationwide. Now check this out. The FCB podcast network has over a million downloads. We have more downloads than you have members what are we talking about? What are we talking about? What are we doing here? You not even at the table, You don't even have a seat at the table, because you have no power, you have no influence. All of this stuff that you're are arguing about, you can't do nothing with none of it anyway, because the only time libertarians get elected is when they run as Republicans, and only in certain states. You can't get elected as Libertarians. You can't get elected as a Libertarian party partly because you're arrogant and you alienate everybody who doesn't agree with every single thing that you want to do. And then you have people in your party who are open overt races. Don't talk to me about black outreach? Are you kidding me? There was a firestorm that was started just a few months ago because the Libertarian the official account of the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire, told a former state senator, Nina Turner, to pick crops for free because they didn't like her policy position. I don't agree with all the Nina Turner's policy positions either, but as a black man who is a descendant of a slave, I would have never said that to a black woman, and it wasn't inn just because I see some libertarians that try to say, oh, well, it's just a libertarian party in New Hampshire. You know they're crazy. There were other libertarian parties official accounts that jumped in on that too, And y'all know I got receipts, so stop playing with me. And it's also very interesting too once again, and I'll leave it with this and I'll turn it back over to my brother Dante. But it's very interesting how they talk all of this and about how you know, this party don't want black people. That party don't want black people, but we do. But when I ask you, the Libertarian Party of Arkansas tweeted at me in response to me saying that the Libertarian Party is not in our interest they tweeted back at me and said, well, isn't liberty in everyone's interests? That's the other thing too. They think that they're the only ones that care about liberty. Right. They asked me that. My response was, well, tell me how you feel about the Civil Rights Act and we can go from there. You know what their response was, crickets, how come you get quiet? When I asked that question? How come you can't get your tongue when I asked that question, because you know that probably a majority of your party still to this day, rejects the Civil Rights Act because you think that any government intervention what soever is bad. You think that people would just naturally desegregate, that the market would have done it. If you're naive enough to believe that, Okay, but I'm glad you ain't got no power to implement that because you would have been dead wrong. There are things that are still happening that are discriminatory to black people to this day. In twenty twenty three, are you kidding me? There is a major bank. I'm not gonna say their names, but there's a major bank that had to settle at the beginning of this year, had to settle a multimillion dollar lawsuit for discriminating against black people in twenty twenty three, Not nineteen sixty three, not nineteen fifty three or forty three, twenty twenty three, this year, beginning of this why go look it up. So see, so desegregation was just going to magically happen through the power of the market. You really believe that what are we talking about? What are we doing? What are we doing this foolishness. If y'all want, if the libertarians who are listening to this show, if you want the Libertarian Party to be taken seriously, you need to start making serious arguments. It is not serious to tell American descendants of slaves that the Civil War was a bad idea, or that the Civil Rights Act was unnecessary because the market would have taken care of it. You're not a serious person when you say things like that to American descendants of slaves, and you expect us to take you seriously. I am a descendant of a slave. I have family members who are still alive today who remember my former slave family member. You know how my great grandfather. First of all, my family tends to live long. So my great grandfather, who I'm old enough to remember, passed away in nineteen ninety four, the ninety three or ninety four. He was raised by his grandfather, who was born a slave. I have family members in their eighties today who still remember their great grandfather because he died in like the nineteen fifties or early sixties something like that. He lived a long time. So you talking to somebody who's not only I'm not guessing that I'm a descendant of a slave. I can track it down, and members of my family still remember my former slave. Great however, many great grandfather to this day who're still living and breathing to this day. One of them called one of my relatives who are who remember them, called me today. So you're not gonna get a serious hearing from someone like me on something like that. I don't mind you being over there. If you can make a difference, that's a good thing be over there. But what you're not gonna do is act like everybody black is stupid for not going over there with you, especially when you got people standing over they're next to you telling me that the Civil War was unnecessary, or that the Civil Rights Act was unnecessary. It was government overreach. No state sponsored segregation was government overreach. Jim Crow was government overreach. Slavery was government overreach. Anybody who says anything different, can you can just kiss my ass. I ain't on it. That's the philosophical disagreement. The practical one is, y'all ain't got no power anyway. So what are we talking about? Dante? And just for the record, most libertarians, again we don't want to say all, but most libertarians, while they do this anti authoritarianism with governments. Most of them, again, most are just corporate boot liquors. They have no issues with corporations manipulating the market, and they have no issues with them. Most of them are totally okay with it. You ask them about about about the crashing away, you have no problem with. You have a problem with the bailouts, right because government should never interfere, right, But you have no smoke for banks and subprime mortgages. You have mortgin you have no problem with that none, which it just lets me know you're not anti market manipulation. You're just anti when the government doesn't, which which means you're not a serious person. You're not a serious person because that means you don't believe in actually free markets. So I mean, we we know how that goes Man and anybody who would tell you that the Civil Rights was unnecessary handed you know. It's funny though, too that you mentioned you can't get to libertarians to agree on certain things, because I've talked to a couple of libertarians who have said that they believe that the Civil War was not only was of course not only necessary, but they felt like it would have happened again, if if it wasn't for the Civil rights, the Civil Rights, the Civil Rights Act, like we should have just let it, you know, we should have just let it correct itself again with another war. So it's interesting that you said that because I've heard the other side of that too, where it's like, no, no, no, the Civil War was actually good. That was a market correction, right, but you know that the man, they're not very serious. That brings that brings up the other point. It's like, so what do you believe? Right, because you have libertarians, official libertarians, who have positions in your party saying one thing and the other libertarians saying the opposite. Like you think you think getting the Republicans on the same page is like hurting cats, oh my god? Right? Or like the uh, you know there's a progressive wing of Democrats and a moderate wing of Democrats and they don't get along. Yet. You should talk to libertarians, man, right, because at least there's a wing. There's a way libertarians. You put five of them in a room, they got their own wing. So you go with five different positions. This is stupid, This is stupid, This is a waste, This is a waste of time, and let's keep it all the way one hunted. We talk about the Republicans for having them, for the lack of black representation, but it's more black Republicans than it is black Libertarians. You you we know one, and I'll I think, no, I actually know two, but I don't know any. I think I know two black Libertarians. I know three, Yeah, I know two. But other than and I think and we know in one of them we know in common outside of the world, right outside of the one we know in common, we know three Libertarians combined outside of That's insane. That's insane, man. It's not serious, man, that you're not. That's one of that's become one of my favorite things to tell somebody when I realized that they're not. You are not a serious person. The liberty most libertarians again, and that was the thing that really shocked me, right, was learning that a lot of libertarians say, Okay, you try this with governments, but really you're just a corporate bootleguer. You have no interest in ever holding corporations accountable at all. They can manipulate the market with impunity and you have nothing to say about it. And that's not a free market. That's not that's not capitalism, that's corporatism exactly exactly. So that's the you know that that a couple of years ago, and I sounded like, oh okay, so you're not actually serious because you don't believe in the free market. If you don't want to hold both both sides accountable, then you don't actually believe in freedom exactly exactly. I mean, you know, you are not your own domicile. I don't know how many times this came up. And I know you know citizens, so don't believe that y'all will go to jail. Y'all will go to jail. If you're starting to don't believe that that ain't gonna work. I just can't, man. You know, I don't know how many times that conversation came up in college. I know it added to for you to to the point where, you know, maybe the first couple of times you hear it's like maybe that do sound interesting, and then you look back and it's like, yeah, I was nineteen you know what I'm saying. It's like, wow, I was nineteen years old. Yeah it sounded great, Like, yeah, I shouldn't have to pay taxes because I'm a sovereign citizen. Oh yeah, and then if I can make and then you really again remind us of like wow, I was nineteen Wow, that's that would and like you said, that is jammable if you act on that right, don't do that, y'all. You go go to jail. Don't do that. Wesley Snipes thought he could do that and he went to jail. They will lock you up. Okay, they will lock you up. Let him know how to follow you, sir. You can follow me on Instagram and Twitter at Tay Bride t ae b r y E Miss O'Malley. You follow me on Instagram at Real Robin O'Malley and you can follow me on Facebook at Robin O'Malley. And one more time, I want to send a special shout out to Shay Hawkins for coming on the show. Really appreciate it. We are out of here. We'll see you next time. Peace. This has been a presentation of the FCB podcast Network, where Real Talk Lifts. Visit us online at fcbpodcasts dot com.
