This is the FCB podcast network. Great than this when they trunk job foot change, says Tom Dun. We don't listen to y'all this d houttel. We don't listen to y'all this d hotel. Make them scream out now, that got sound Dun because the Rooks in the Crowns like a tune in the charge for the Outdoor. Tune in the charge for the Outlaw. Welcome to the Outlaws. This is Don Yoda Kingpitt tomorrow alongside Robin O'Malley and Daunte Bright. Don't forget too Like us on Facebook at facebook dot com, slash the Outlaws Radio, follow us on Twitter and Instagram at the Outlaws or Radio. We have a very special guest that we're gonna get to in just a little bit. But first, miss O'Malley, how are you. I'm actually great. I've been doing good. I think the last few show it's not been good, but uh yeah, I've actually just been real great. And you know what, Darbo, Actually, over the past few years, I'm like bought humbug, you know, but this year I'm like, oh, like all Dolly and just like totally just stressing people out with Christmas music, and I immediately started decorating like the second I woke up the day after Thanksgiving. So yeah, I wonder why. I wonder why, Dante, I wonder why, But no, sir, don't start with me. I wonder why. But I will say this. You had an old person moment before the show started. Tell me what their old person moment was. Listen. Okay, So I was thrilled because I was out shopping today and I went and bought me a new vacuum. Okay, I I was so. I'm so excited because it were so damn good because I have a cat, you guys, and I mean whether you have a cat or dog whatever. And so the first vacuum I had, they false advertisement first and foremost talking about it was for pets, Okay, for the firs and only thing that my pets fur does to the first vacuum is clogs it up, and I'll be getting mad and cussing it out. So I went and bought me another one, and I love it. I'm so excited. You know, fluffy clean carpet. You know the funniest thing about it was like perfect time because right before we get the show, I was watching local News and they were doing a story about when the average person feels like they're an adult, and it was like when you're excited about getting household ap clients, listen, I don't lick candles. I'm testing you, like I will be happy. Lord, have mercy, Lord, have mercy. God. How you doing so? I'm doing good? Ohio State loss again in Michigan, so that you know, that wasn't great. But outside of that, man, it was a it was a solid Thanksgiving weekend. Good food, good people, and uh now we get back to the regularly scheduled program, you know. Oh yeah, that's right, that's right. We gotta go around. How uh what did you do for Thanksgiving? Dante? I stayed in, I went over my godparents' house to uh yeah, I went over my godparents' house. They cooked. But other than that, man, it was it was smooth, you know, nothing, nothing crazy. It was small, really me and my mom on Thanksgiving Day and then the next day, I should say, we went over to my godparents' house and spent some time with them. But other than that, man, it was just you know, it's cool, simple robbing would you get into. Came home, pulled myself together and just did my rounds to go see everybody. The family wasn't really all together this year year, so I kind of went from like place to place, and I was very tired, but luckily did not have to work the next day, so well, well, yeah, yeah, of course you were tired. You got forty seven siblings, so you had a lot of houses. I only went to no, no, no, no, we'll see because we'll see. Two of my siblings very lived very far, so I did not get to see them. Okay, yeah, so but I did go to three places. So but it was it was tiring, but it was it was nicetig family, y'all. That I do not have my family, actually not stop it. I don't. I really don't, you know, y'all. But other than that, it was cool. You know, but how was your Thanksgiving? So I went to my aunt and it was real cool. She's in she's in her eighties, so really like after my grandmother passed and then you know, one of my other aunts passed, like this line here has kind of been like a surrogate you know, grandmother on my mother's side for me. So you know, it was real cool to get over there and kick it me and my mother went over there and you know, with kicking with her kids and grandkids and you know, just eight of Thanksgiving talk junk, you know what I'm saying, Like like like like big southern Black families tend to do. You know what I'm saying, get around around the table talking jump and I ain't kicking it, man, and just enjoying people's company. So I had a good time, had a good time, really enjoyed it. This is my favorite time of the year. Like I love I love Thanksgiving. I love the Christmas season, Like I'm I'm for all of that, the lights, everything, all of that, Like I'm for it all. It's too cold here you go. I mean, I would say the two negatives about this time time of year is probably the cold. And then you know, then you got to spend money, a lot of money, right yeah. So you know what is so crazy, because, like I just said, I've been very jolly right up until today, I'm like, you know what, I'm suddenly not feeling it. I had to spend money, and I mean it was only like just just touching just the tip of the iceberg, just just started shopping. So I haven't even begun to spend as much. You acted like a real Capricorn right now. But you know what, Darveio. On top of that, my daughter turns ten years old in sixteen days, so I also have that like literally right before Christmas. Who you tell you know we're we're both January babies. Our birthdays are close to christ you know, I know, you know I understand what my birthday is on January seventh. Like, so I'm closed. I get it. Where you got that Christmas in that birthday? Ye ain't no joke. And sometimes it ain't fun because you know, sometimes people be like, here, here's a gift for Christmas. Yeah, so I've been trying to like, Okay, don't you know I gotta make sure I get her gifts for this, but you know I gotta make sure she got gifts for that right now. Damn girl, Why you couldn't come into this world when you were supposed to, Like you were super impatient, Like you couldn't wait till tax time? You know? All right, we have a very special guest that we're gonna get to right now. We have a very special guest on the show today. I'm sure I'm probably gonna get in a little bit of good trouble with his sister. Tonight, she is the host of Sonny's Corner on Sirius x SEM Sonny Johnson, Welcome, How you doing. I am doing on well? And what is wrong with a little good trouble. That's right, that's right. So before we tackle some of the issues going on right now, some of the news of the day, what I want to do is for people who may not know, who may not be aware, just talk a little bit about your origin story, how you got involved in politics, you know, just all that good stuff. I got into politics totally by accident. I started a blog, the Black Republicans at the time, the Hip Hop Republicans, and their squad found me and kind of pulled me into a matrix. I got hooked in with Steve Bennett and started working with Breitbart, and I've been active in politics ever since. I'm not a big person on doing the origin story unless it's in context of a certain topic that we that we discussed. You know, I'm much more interested to talk about the mission than myself. I know, I know you are. That's why I want to make sure we talked about you first, because I do think it's important to make sure that you know, people hear that origin story and then I can give your flowers and all that good stuff. So I know you don't like to talk about you, but that's why we're gonna talk about you, because you've been You've been out here doing the work. You've been doing the work for a long time. So you have a Sunny's Corner. When did Sunny's Corner start? How long have you been doing it? I think we're getting ready to start our fifth year Sunny's Corner. So we just got renewed again, so we'll still be on serious X and patriot and I know that there's a lot of white Republicans and conservatives that hate that fact, but yeah, we just got picked up a renewed so this will be our fifth year doing Sunny's Corner. Well, congratulations on your renewal. That's that's a big deal. That's very important for the culture. For people who haven't heard tell people a little bit about Sonny's Corner. What's the experience that they would have when they listened to the show. It is black conservatism. We stick to that. Every single topic, every single week revolves around something having to do with bringing conservatism to Black America. So each of every premise, every idea, every principle that we talk about can be equally applied to any community. So it's not separatists in nature, but it is specifically targeted towards the Black community because I think that there has been such neglect coming from the right towards Black America that it needs it needs focus, it needs attention, it needs constant, constant nurturing. And you have all of these groups that raise all of this money talking about doing and all black outreach, but they can't even consistently stay on one topic. So every single week, you're gonna get something related to attached to Black culture, to Black history, to Black faith, or to Black communities, and you're gonna get a chance to hear from just regular black people. Right. So you know, everybody in our arena is always interested in titles and kind of what spot this person is in or you know what I'm saying, who they are attached to, And on Sunday's Corner, I make it a lot more about simply what they know, how they're able to handle conversation, the added knowledge they bring to a specific subject that I might not know about, and I let them expouse upon it. So especially when it comes to black men. I have this thing where everybody in our culture today they want to speak four black men on behalf of black men in the name of black men, but very few people want to let black men speak for themselves. So it's a real big honor and a very big part of what I do on Sunny's Corner and just I'll get into mic turning it over to black men and letting them start the conversation wherever they want, on any topic they want, and we just chop it up from there. So it's been a real blessing to do that for the last five years. We're talking with Sonny Johnston, who is the host of Sonny's Corner on Serious x M. Patriot Dante go ahead, So, Sonny, I'm glad you brought that up because it was refreshing to find you on Twitter the way I found you. And so if you could do just to start off, can you explain to our listeners what is black conservatism and how you define it and how you preach it compared to what the normal person who may not follow politics, or who may and who may not be as familiar with the culture, what they would Conserdner what they would consider republicanism or conservatism that would come from different people depending on that would be a different answer depending on who you ask. Right, So, if you asked black progressive what is a Black conservative, they would tell you, you know, from their perspective of what they have been presented, they would say, you know, like the coon or the sellout or the self hater. You know what I'm saying, all them specific the Uncle Tom's, all them specific names that they throw out towards a specific brand of black faces that are on the right. And or if you were talking to white conservatives and white Republicans, it'll kind of be the nineteen sixties revamp of the Republican Party where they kind of created this ethos of conservatism based around Russia, low taxation, and American patriotism. You know, did are what we're talking about in terms of black conservatism, are those steadfast lessons that have been passed through Black America that is genuinely uniquely specific to Black America, going through Frederick Douglass, through Booker T. Washington, through Carter Woodson all the way up through Malcolm X and what I believe we are currently seeing in a renaissance as far as Black America, going back towards that legacy conservatism that has withheld us so long the entire time we have been in this country. So it's just basic principles of the If you put the three to the top three together principle wise, you would say that the first is the idea of the individual. You want to make sure that you are taking care of yourself first and foremost. You are taking care of your own mental health, your own physical health, your own economic health, your own marriage, your own kids, your own household, your immediate family out that kind of that whole radius encompasses your individual self, and you want to make sure those things are taking care of first and foremost. As you start to accomplish that and to become resolute in those areas, then you want to become a steward in your community and you go to the second part of conservatism, which is the republic, and that means the government closest to the people should have the most power over the people, and in gaps where you don't one government interference, that people should step up. So that is when we become stewarts in our community. We become coaches, we become mentors and we start to participate in the political process, especially at the local level, because most of the things that we complain about in terms of items, especially in Black America, that are systemically racist, are put into place at the local level. So if you go from the individual to the local level, I think we'll start seeing a lot more effectual change. And then eventually we'll get to that third level, which is the Constitution, and we can start looking at things that our federal government is doing, the corruption that has kept coming to America institutions, and maybe some of the abuses that have been you have been wielded in the area of foreign policy. So, Sonny, let me ask you what's been You've been doing the show far years, you've been out in the public eye even longer than that. What's the response. What's the typical response that you get from mainstream traditional conservatives when they are introduced to your brand? Well, it's split because you have there is a section of white Republicans, conservative grassroots that are very interested in our conversations. Right. If that wasn't the case, then I wouldn't still be here. Right, There has to be some kind of audience that is receptive to hearing and to learning and to absorbing different thoughts. But for the rank and file, and especially those that are in the leadership position, they wholeheartedly reject any kind of debate towards the colorblind narrative that they have been pressed on for decades now that has continuously called to lose the black vote by ninety percent for over sixty seventy eighty years now. So they are not very receptive to having a debate outside of their assigned parameters. And I have found it an absolute joy to blow up every single barrier that they put in front of me. So let's move a little further down with that conversation as well. I want to get your your thoughts on this. You know I get because I get into similar debate as well as you know. And there was a person today on social media that was like, going after the black vote is a waste of time and all this man, and my conversation to him was simply, you know, you do realize that you're running out of voters right like you've lost a big chunk of rich white of rich white suburbanites, a lot of them have become ideologically progressive. You ain't getting them back. And if you try you're gonna alienate white working class voters. You lose. The Republican Party loses every single minority group in America today. Black's vote for Democrats, Becausepanic's vote for Democrats. Chewse vote for Democrats, even Asians vote for Democrats. Yeah, they've improved their numbers, they've improved the margins among the Hispanic vote, for example, but they're still losing. So eventually you're gonna run out of votes. So to me, even putting aside the fact that if you actually believe in the republic like you say you do, and if you're actually quote unquote America first like you say you are, then that should apply to all of Americans. Putting that aside, putting the right thing to do aside, Practically from a political standpoint, you can't keep continuing to ignore whole groups of people because eventually you're just gonna run out of voters. Your thoughts on that when it comes to the the black class I would call, you know, kind of in the social social media space, I tend not to worry about them because if their advice is to not fight, then they're probably taking their own advice and we're not going to have to fight them. They're not going to be of any consequence. Right, They're not going to get up, they're not going to activate, They're not you know what I'm saying, Like, they're not going to be competition to us. We can already see the defeatis attitude that they carry. And even if they were to try, with the level of intellectual intensity that they're putting into their response, I don't think that they would be very successful, you know what I'm saying. So as far as those people are concerned, I don't really think that we should have we should worry about them. At a time, I focused on them because not so much because I cared about them, but it was more because I wanted white Conservatives and Republicans to see what was being said in their name right and for them to be like, this is why you get called racists these responses, and a lot of them would always come back it or be like it doesn't happen, No one ever says that, or you know, so it comes that chance where we can show oh yeah, they they do say it, they do you know, move that way. And as far as the establishment is concerned and those people that are that are in power, every single aspect of every single thing that they do is a identity gain. The way that they measure get out the vote efforts, the way that they measure where they are going to donate to certain races, what race, what certain races qualify for them to try to be competitive in. All of those decisions are broken down by identity politics into categories that they have on their on their information collection seet of sheets from all the data they've raked over from all of the people that are in their apparatus, right, so they they know they know this game and they understand how this game is played. So what I think their point in letting what happens on the grassroots continue to happen is that it stops black people of good character and conscious from wanting to participate, because once you start seeing some of the rhetoric that you know, we have to deal with on a regular basis, you start to be like, why would I, why would I even participate? Why would I even you know, mess with Republicans. So that is one of the reasons why I do the Thunderdome on Twitter or on x every single Monday at eleven am. We have a space on Twitter, and that's one of the things I consistently point out in that space is that, especially for people who are new, who have not seen behind the system, that don't understand how it works, you are going to run into these people. They are gonna say some of the most obnoxious things. You can't run away because you run into them. You just have to be like, Okay, yeah, I knew I was going to run into you, But I also again know that you're not going to be active. I know you're not going to be intellectual. You're not going to be able to debate me like you cannot beat me, So your presence isn't going to stop me. So I think that the more of us that are honest about that and are having that conversation with Black America as they start to kind of flirt with the idea of of dealing with conservatism on a political level, we are doing not only a service to Black Americans by giving them that information, we are also doing a service to our calls by being upfront so they're not walking into things that surprise them. Right right, I'm talking with Tondy Johnson, who is the host of Sunny's Corner, One serious ection ex and Patriot. So now let's let's let's get to some current stuff here in the middle of this Republican presidential primary. Right now, Ron DeSantis drives me nuts. I'm just fla't say it. I have. I've been around politics since I was in the sixth grade. I have dealt with Republicans. I've dealt with modern Democrats on a local level all the way to the national level. I can't remember another Republican presidential campaign, especially in the primary, but in general that was more intentionally antagonistic to black outreach than the DeSantis campaign. It's almost like that, like a lot of other Republicans will do the benign neglect, right, like they'll ignore us and act like we're not there. With the DeSantis campaign, it seems like they go out of their way to antagonize black people. What has once it have been some of your observations on that campaign and how they're moving. I I got there. I watched Romney campaign, so I have I have a different Perspectivelee. You can go to make sure you repult black people as much as possible. That that was a really good example, right, and you see that he has no problem using his black faces when he needs defense. So it's not. Again, it's not that you don't see identity or you don't recognize it or you don't understand it. You see it, you recognize it, you understand it. But you are on this political high running around talking about being anti woke and thinking that that's going to be your catapult into success, and it's just not working. And I'm and I'm glad that that whole Corey Dangelist frame of thinking and looking at this argument and simplifying it instead of having real rational conversations. I'm glad that that is not winning overall when it comes to getting support from the right, because then that would make it feel like, Okay, we have a more daunting task ahead of us. But I feel like as long as more people are like, yeah, there's a different way for us to do this, and maybe it's more the bulldoggie way of kind of doing it through Trump as opposed to doing it like the Santis is doing it, And that gives me a little bit of comfort as far as what we might be able to achieve as long as the paradigm is being pushed in Trump direction and not towards the Santans. Well, and you know, the interesting thing, to me is it's been fascinating, Like the GOP is kind of in the middle of a civil war at this point, and the side that you would expect to be antagonistic to black folks generally speaking, it's actually the opposite, you know, I have seen it has been hilarious and just incredible to see people in profile. They got profiles with the red maca hats on and the whole thing, calling team the status out for racism, and the very people that the average person wouldn't think would say something like that, these dynamics have shifted so much. And yeah, they shifted so much. I will trusted that. That's what it is. It shipped so much. I don't trust it like I understand when you And this is one thing we have to realize about Wagon Service Republicans. They don't have a culture. So anything that comes along that gives them twenty seconds of feeling some kind of cultural attachment to something, they latch onto it. It doesn't matter if it's good, if it's just, if it's principled, if it sounds none of that actually matters. The only thing that matters is they get that temporary hit of feeling like they are attached to something cultural, right. We I was sitting there laughing about the Richmond North of rich Yeah right, and everybody, Oh, he's singing our songs from and didn't turn around and find out, oh, no, he hates you. Right. So you you know, anything that they had an ability to just latch onto for that that that that momentary or feel good, they will And I know that. Give them five minutes and they'll be back to posting black rage port you know what I'm saying. So I don't trust it at all. This is just them doing the claiming scalp things they always do with no work behind it. I will say this though, I think that the Santas team did not expect the level of pushback that they get when they do stuff like this. No, I'm happy, And this is one of the things that I've put as a operation at the forefront, so to speak, in everything that I do, is that we kind of have a coordinative voice when it comes to pushing back on issues like this. And that doesn't mean that, you know, we all dial one eight hundred negro to see how to respond, but we kind of all know what's right, what's wrong, and in those moments where we see things that are obviously wrong that all of us should pounce, all of us should insert our voice, all of us should make sure we are heard. And the more that we start to do that, and we started to see it working a lot when June teenth that it was actually working when it came out and they tried us with Juneteenth, they tried us with lift every voice is sing. It was like those moments were practice moments. And now we have kind of got into that mode that every single time one of these things pop up, all of us rush out to make sure we're all talking about the same topic. And I think that that's a beautiful thing. And again that'll push establishment Republicans into understanding that it's not gonna to be cheap, it's not gonna be easy, it's gonna come for debate, and it's gonna come with principal policy or you you know what I'm saying, You are going to have a real fight on your hands. This isn't just one plantation to another. And if I could use their terminology right right, we're talking with Sonny Johnson, who was the host of Sonny's Corner on serious extent patriot and as we get ready to wind down here a little bit. I want to switch gears because I know this was something we didn't get a chance to talk talk about when I was on your show. But you, like me, are a fellow hip hop head, and I would be remiss if we didn't get into a little bit of that conversation. So of course I have to ask you, miss Johnson, what is your top five? Oh, that's depending on mood. Like honestly, you know what I'm saying. I'm in that mindset of when we have to be comparative about our icons, and we always neglect the fact that on a certain day, my top five is completely different just depending on what it is I want to hear. You know what I'm saying. But I'll say, no matter what order I put the other four in, my top one is still going to be j He's always going to be in my top spot. But the way the other four change depending on my mood, depending whether I want to be old school, depending on whether I want to listen to battle rap, depending if I want freestyles, depending if I want to go grimy, depending if I want fast spitting, you know, real real quick lyrics. So it would all depend on the metric and the move that I'm in at the moment. What you know how my five would go, But I know that Jay would always be in there and would probably always be number one. So I got for me, Tupac is my number one. Tubac is my number one all time that are alive. He has the it's the most compatible to to me. He has the perfect balance of conscious and thug. So that is that's my That's my numb So I go, I look at it, and I'm always I'm always I always look back at it as being formative, like is this something that I can look back and say, this is a specific song that would that helped to shape who I am today? And to me, that's what you know, because I find music to be personal, So that's what I would qualify as so pop and wonder why they call you bitch? That would have been a song that was integral to why I became who I am and why I carried myself the way I carried myself. It was always something that I would have in the back of my mind and having that realization that I need to be self reflective and I need to make sure I understand how I am carrying myself because how I carry myself puts a perspective out into the world about how the world feels like it should treat me back. So you know what I'm saying, And I think when people don't think you can get that kind of analysis from hip hop, that's the part that pisses me off, because it's just like any other art form. If you give it its due diligence you can give it. It becomes a perspective breakdown about human nature and about life. You know. The unfortunate thing too, I think, and this has gotten lost by the way that people view hip hop, the way that people treat hip hop, and in fairness with the way that some of the music is today. But hip hop is like one of the greatest American success stories of the modern era. There are few things in American history that has created more black millionaires than hip hop, right, and it's unfortunate that we don't we don't have that same level of conversation about that success level. And look at these entrepreneurs and success stories of capitalism. These are people who come from the gutter, many of them, and rows up to be, you know, one of the top in their profession. And those I don't think we look at them like that as a society. I think society still looks at him, you know, as a bunch of hoods and thugs and all of that, but understanding like this is something that has created wealth for tons of people at a level that nothing as far as for black folks, at a level that nothing other than maybe professional sports has even come close to. Yeah, and when it, hip hop has outside of what you just talked about in terms of capitalism, right, I'll add to that perspective, because I think you laid it out nicely a representation of it. But I'll also add to that to the perspective of if it wasn't for hip hop keeping the concept of capitalism at the forefront of the discussion, we would already be a Marxist nation. Mm. We would already be a Marxist nation. Tell me another entity that has kept the concept of making money at the forefront of the American narrative. Republicans and Conservatives, they are supposed to be the capitalist champions. Tell me who you who you would call a capitalist champion amongst the Republican ranks, right, and we would look at, say, okay, Donald Trump, and if you say, Donald Trump, then that would make you start to understand why so many of these black men are willing to support him, because it is that concept of capitalism, that concept of making money, that concept of ownership at understanding that that economic independence gets you that real equity. And we're not talking about the equity that the left talks about, where they talk about equity of government. You're talking about NOE. The kind of self propelled excellence you have that allows you to walk in a building with your name on the side of it and make all the decisions about how to get that train to run on time. You know what I'm saying. That is the thing that gives them a link and it is allowed, and I think it's driving first generation wealth, especially black men, towards Donald Trump. And that is the concept of capitalism. And again I said this back in twenty fifteen that that was the pathway in and they should have listened. And secondly, free speech. If it was not for hip hop, how far down the rabbit hole of the destruction of free speech would we be. Because when the first wave came, your first wave came, the real first wave came against hip hop, and hip hop stood its ground. It fought the culture, it fought the progressive machine, It fought the entire narrative that was uh that was created and hurled at it and it won. So it gave us more time as we are now where we're looking at fighting free speech when it comes to social media and the government waging its power over it. It gave us time to get to this point and we are still fighting. But we could learn a lot from watching what hip hop did during the late eighties or early nineties as far as holding their ground on the concept of free speech. Absolutely, and that's a oh man, that's a great conversation. We're gonna have to We're gonna have to expand on that a little bit more on the next time. So Sunday, let everybody know how to follow you on social media. Plug again when they can listen to your show The Thunderdome all that good stuff. All right, you can follow me on X which is basically that's my goal to social media at Sonny Johnson, S O, N and I E. Every single Monday on X eleven am Eastern, we have the Thunderdome. It's fire conversation in the space. Come and chop it up with me. We do take a lot of people up to join the discussion, so it's real fire conversation. And then every single Saturday on Sirius XM. Patriot you can catch Sunny's Corner at one pm Eastern and again we have fire conversation around those parts as well. So anytime you catch me, I can promise you we chopping it up about something good. All right, Sunny Johnson, thank you so much for coming on the show. Appreciate it. I know you've been out here fighting a good fight for a long time, man, so I want to give you your flowers. So I appreciate you. Thank you so much, and I appreciate having me. All right, we'll be right back with more of the Outlaws after this. These days, it seems like everybody's talking, but no one is actually listening to the things they're saying. Critical thinking isn't dead, but it's definitely low on oxygen. Join me Kira Davis on Just Listen to Yourself every week as we reason through issues big and small, critique our own ideas, and learn to draw our talking points all the way out to their logical conclusions. Subscribe to Just Listen to Yourself with Kira Davis and FCB Radio podcast on Apple, on Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcasts, Real talk, Cel conversations. We got the heat. Hell yeah, this is the Outlaws Radio Show. Welcome back, walking back. You're listening to the Outlaws one more time. Want to send a special shout out to Tonny Johnson for coming on the show. Really appreciate it. And now it is the time we like call with row turned up up, infectation, the latest celebrity news and gossipation. It's tea time with Roe on the Outlaws Radio Show. All right, So I touched up on this story last week, but you know, like literally after we put the story out, it's just more and more and more stuff come pouring out. As everybody knows. If you are, you know, a consistent listener and you pay attention. We were talking about p Diddy. Now Diddy was accused of doing some things you know, with the singer performer Cassie. They ended up agreeing upon a settlement probably within what twenty four to seventy two hours later after she had dropped the bomb with that. But so that cleared and then probably within twenty four ish hours, like more people started coming out and it's just kind of it started ruining things for him basically. So now with that being said, with you know, allegedly, you know, with him being accused of these things, but so now basically Diddy is stepping down as chairman of Revolt As the company released that statement, and the following day, Capital Preparatory Charter Schools also announced that they ended their partnership with Ditty as well due to all of the these allegations. And I don't know what this really says for him. I don't know if that's like, you know, if he's gonna be canceled or what what the case may be. You know, this is some serious allegations to be accused of, whether it may be true or not. I can say a lot of people are have basically said, you know, him and R Kelly are gonna get together and you know they're gonna make some songs inside the cell together or whatnot about they're gonna make some hits. Wow. Yeah. But so there is that. I do want to touch up on one more thing following that. It's about also another I would believe Young Thug is a rapper. Correct, Yes, he's a rap well I mean kind of thing too, but yeah, he's a rapper. I mean what he tries to sing, he's a rapper. I can tell, well, can you tell? I don't. I don't listen to his music. Oh, I don't listen to him either. And you know, so as of lately, so he is currently going through some things as well, and so recently I don't really know. It's it's so much going on with that. But as of right now, so the state is saying that when Young Thug said twenty four m on the head, they're using his lyrics. I think we've discussed this before about other artists when it's being their lyrics are being used against them. So they said, quote unquote twenty four ms on a end's head. He he was talking about putting a bounty slash hit on someone. But in reality, Young Thug was talking about the twenty four million dollar diamond that Uzzi has in his forehead. And there is a picture that actually have right in front of me, like he literally got a diamond put into his forehead, and it is it is bizarre. It's bizarre. I mean, but let me just say so along with all of this, I wish that I had everything pulled up, but I do not. But if anybody's keeping up on the story or wants to, his attorney is a trip, Like you guys have to keep up on this, like there is so many His attorney basically sounds like, well as if my child was like they were picking on each other, fighting each other, and they come with some excuses like no, this is what really happened, or this is what that means. That's really what his attorney sounds like. And I can tell you that whoever dates that man is in a world of trouble because like his response is are quick and they'd be sounding kind of right like but yeah, so he cleans up the act. So yeah, that's that story is pretty wild to me. So I have I think we might have talked about this before. I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand, if you like, if you say, you know, I shot this dude on Park Avenue, and you actually shot the dude on Park Avenue, you're stupid, right, they used to go to jail. But if it's not as like blatant as that, if it's not as specific as that, if it's if it's more bragged, nocial or just you know, a lot of rappers talk that gun talk or whatever. Like. I don't like the idea of using rappers lyrics to convict them of crimes unless the lyrics specifically says the crime that they did in the song. I think you, I think there is a potential of running into First Amendment freedom of speech issues with that. Donte what are your thoughts. I'm not a big fan of it either, because you can misconstrue anything, especially when you know what the person is talking about. So, you know, it seems to me like the state doesn't have as great a case as maybe it was made out to be. If this is what they're you know, what they're going with, And I'm you know, I'm not a lawyer. I don't even play one on TV, so I don't know to say that for sure, but it just doesn't seem like the case is really that strong if this is you know, if this is what you're going with to try and get a conviction, because this is something that I mean just if I were sitting on a jury and somebody said, oh, some we're gonna use his poetry to convict him or something like this, I mean I would be looking for more, something a little bit harder in the way of evidence, right, approve that this person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, like that, if I were on the jury, you having to use an art form, uh would give me a reason, would give me reasonable doubt. I mean, do we think I mean, we'd have painters who were very dark throughout history, very dark throughout history. Do you know if I see somebody painting something where it's like this is very dark and dreary and it's a painting, do I think that they're a murderer, you know what I mean? Or do I think that maybe they're they're just depressed, you know, or that maybe they're suicide. I don't know, so I just you know, it's something that doesn't really feel great to me. But I haven't followed this case too closely, so I don't know if that's all that they have in the way of evidence. I would assume that you would need more, though, because that would if I were on a jury, that would be something where I'm little I would be a little skeptic. It's a big part of their it's a big part of their case. But it feels like this trial, I mean, it's hard to follow this traps it feels like it's been going on forever. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So, but yeah, no, I'm just I think you get when you start using rappers lyrics and stuff like that, like you're that's a dangerous game you're playing right there, you know what I'm saying, because anything could be misconstrued, and of course you're not you're not trying to look at whatever they said in the best possible life, you know what I mean. So, so yeah, no, I'm not a fan of that. All right, that's it, Miss mally d. All Right, stay tuned. We have Dante's Hot Takes coming up next here on the Outlaw Fuck Up True Say, welcome back, woome back. You're listening to the Outlaws. And now was the time of the show that we liked to call Dante's hot takes, telling the truth. Whether you like it or not, It's Dante's Hot Takes on the Outlaws radio show. So convicted murderer Derek Shavin, who was convicted and sentenced for the murder of George Floyd in twenty twenty, which sparked national outrage and protests. He was stabbed in his uh in federal custody in his federal in federal prison twenty two times. As far as I know, he did live. He did not, He did not succumb to his wounds and died. But he was stabbed twenty two times. Earlier today, it was some reports going around social media that he was may have been stabbed by a gang, a former gang member who also happened to be an FBI in formant. I don't know how much that is true. What we know right now is that he was stabbed twenty two times and lived, And there's been a lot of outrage about whether people should have sympathy for him or whether he deserved it in a quote moral in like a moral capacity. Right. I think people are thinking about this way too deeply. Right, Was it a black guy who did it? To get revenged for George Floyd? Was you know what was this about? You know things that I personally think people are thinking way too deeply about this. Derek Charlvin was a police officer in federal custody, in a federal prison. It was, I mean, somebody was going to touch him, right, whether he whether his case was high profile or not. He is law enforcement that found himself in prison. That's you know, I don't think we have to think too deeply about why this happened or or you know, is this quote justice for George Fault. I don't. I don't really. I think if he would have been Joe Blow police officer, he would have probably got touched by somebody. That's generally a lot of times what happens to police officers in prison. So it's it's it's a it's not an easy time for them, I would imagine, right, So I don't, you know, I don't. I can't say that I don't. I can't say that I feel bad about it. I just it's more it's something to me that was kind of like, I mean, sort of expected to happen, right, you know, child molesterers, pedophiles, police officers historically are people that we've all heard don't do well in prison. So you know that that isn't something that I necessarily think too deeply about. I will say though, that I wonder, you know, he isn't the best victim for this, but I wonder if a conversation, a larger conversation can be had about prisoner safety, because I think violence in prisons is something that probably should be addressed again. I don't think he's the I don't think he's the victim that will make everybody say, all, wow, you know we need to come to some you know, compassionate place for prisoners. But I do think at some point we do need to have that conversation, again, not necessarily about him, but when you have people who are paying the debt to society, they do absolutely deserve to have the right too to safety and and to not have to look over your shoulder, not have to worry about when you get stabbed, when you get raped, things like that. So I think that that's a conversation that should come at some point. But I don't know if he's going to be the if he's necessarily the person that we're going to have that conversation because of So that's been the direction that I really kind of went with this conversation. I don't I mean, I'm not gonna say, you know, man, I feel bad, but you know, I don't condone it. I'm not cheering it. I'm not ra Ryan. It is interesting too that it's an it was a former FBI informant that stabbed him, you know, It's there's some other things that play in that situation. But I do think I do. I do think this is an opportunity why people while people you are paying attention, I guess to pivot because it's like, oh, look at what happened. And you're absolutely right. Nance first of all, not only is that common with with a police officer period or an ex police officer period, but you know, prison violence happens a lot. It happens all the time, and I do think it's an important conversation to have. I'm not I am I am usually depending on it. I mean, there are exceptions, but I am usually less concerned with the vehicle that provokes the conversation versus having the conversation and steering the conversation in a productive direction. But yeah, I mean it's you have people on social media acting like this is this is unprecedented. No, it's not. No, it's not. This happens every day. B Yeah. And I do think from a policy perspective, it's worth having a larger conversation on that, even if the topic at hand was brought up because of what happened to that guy, last thoughts and let him know how to follow you sir. Yeah, I just yeah, don't people don't need to think too deeply about this man. Whether it was somebody who cared about getting back for George Floor, whether it wasn't. I mean, he the likelihood was that it was going to be very difficult for him to survive unscathed in federal prison as former law enforcement. Right, it was just going to be very difficult for him to do that. So it happened now. And you know, like you said, cats get stabbed up every day in jailb Bryan for shaving, So deluct the next whatever amount of time you got. Follow me on Instagram and Twitter at TA Brian T B R y E Miss O'Malley. You can follow me on Instagram at Real Robin O'Malley, and you can follow me on Facebook at Robin O'Malley, and you can follow me at Diva King Penn every where. That's d T H E K I N G p I N. Once again, thank you to Tony Johnson for coming on the show. We really appreciate it. We are out of here. We'll see you next time. H. This has been a presentation of the FCB podcast Network, where Real Talk Lifts. Visit us online at fcbpodcasts dot com.
