This is the FCB podcast network. Great than this when they trunk jaw foot cheat says top Duk. We don't listen to y'all this d hotel. We don't listen to y'all this d hotel. Make um scream out now, that got sound dun cause the rockets in the crowns like a tune in the charge for the Outlaw. Tune in the charge for the Outlaw. Welcome to the Outlaws. This is Darvey O the King Conmorrow alongside Robin O'Malley and say Brian don't forget too like. It's on Facebook and Facebook dot com slash v Outlaws Radio. Follow us on Twitter and Instagram at b Outlaws Radio. Marry Christmas, everybody, miss o' mallie. Christmas is only in a couple of days. What y'all gonna be doing for the holiday? You know what? I'm I'm so excited and ready to see the kids open up the truly this year, you know, I mean, it's every year is supposed to be all about family, but this year for me, it's it's a little deeper. So it's definitely, you know, all about family time this year for us. So yeah, that's the main focus. That's what's up. That's what's up. What's your plans? Brother? Uh, long weekend from obviously from work and just taking it easy. Man. I I enjoy these holidays man, because you know, while I don't have children, I can just you know what I'm saying. I can just take it easy, man. I can spend time with you know, with my family and you're just relaxing, and I can spend time with you know, my NBA family on Christmas because you know, the NBA started. The official start of the NBA is Christmas. What's happened up until now is just preseason and uh we we locking arms in prayer that the cast can get healthy. And then yeah, man, I just spent time with my sports family and my real family on the holidays. You can't beat it. I was just about to ask you, because I knew you was gonna bring it up. I was just about to ask you who was the Christmas Day game? Do you know? Let's uh, it's in a couple of days. But I'm actually kind of excited because it was. I have actually been paying more attention to the NBA because of that n season tournament. But I'm actually you know, like Celtics Lakers is on Christmas. That should be a good one. Mav Sons is Christmas Night. That's at like ten thirty, but you know I'll be up watching. That should be a good one. Bucks Knicks. I'm gonna just say this because I have a lot of family from New York and so I'm sorry if some of you hear this and take this the wrong way, but I'm so sick and tired of seeing the dog on Nicks on Christmas every year. I don't want to see them. I understand, like, yes, they were a playoff team, the cas last nobody wants to watch them. You know, they're only there because they did exactly Nobody wants to watch them. Get them off the screen, hopefully. Oh, Draymond suspended. I was gonna say, hopefully he ain't punching nobody on Christmas, but they played. He's been an indefinitely, I was. I was about to make that joke, but I forgot he suspended. But yeah, oh well, well it'd be very interesting to make sure your family ain't listening to this on Christmas Day. Guess what, I don't even care if they are, man, nobody want to see that. And now I got an extra reason to hate the Knicks because they beat the cas last year of the Player. So I ain't nobody trying to watch them on Christmas, right right, So, as y'all knows, we get to the holidays, our tradition is to take a look back at some of our favorite interviews that we've done this year. We have had a lot of really good interviews. It has been a great year for us on that front, and I want to thank all of the guests that we've had on this show this year. You know, we definitely appreciate our extended our, extended Outlaws family, everybody that shared important moments with us here on this show. So I'm gonna kick it off with one of my favorites, and it is from a person that I say I'm a card carrying member of her fan club, and that is Carol Roth. She is a brilliant, brilliant economist, and one of the things I like the most about her is that she's able to take issues about the economy and break it down to the way that the average person can understand. She's a Midwest girl as well, She's from Chicago, so we have a lot of that relatability as well, and so we're going to go to that interview right now. That part of the conversation that I heard you have on Glenn's show really kind of crystallized why it's it's important to have ownership of something. Yeah, and I think it's important for us right up front to say we're trying to own from an investing and asset standpoint, not a spending stuff standpoint. So you know, you can own, know, yeah, with some cute jeans and some shoes and whatnot, and that's not going to do a lot for you for a day, but not for a lifetime. So you know, as you know, Darvo, I've been advocating for wealth creation opportunities for people for more than a quarter of a century now, and so there's one thing that I know as a truth more than anything else, and that is wealth comes from ownership, period of story. You cannot gain wealth and legacy wealth that you can pass onto your family if you do not own assets. And that's assets that are going to retain their value and hopefully appreciate and value. That is the secret to wealth creation. And so you know, as we started out here, the people who use their income and either do nothing with it they see that eaten away by inflation, they use it for spending and they just kind of burn it, or they use it to invest and hopefully have that retain or appreciate and value. And so that last scenario, curtain number three is what we want people to do if you want to retain wealth. And you know, it's funny as you hear these elite folks associated with the WEF. You know, the WEF is littered with business and political elite predicting that you'll own nothing and you'll be happy by twenty twenty three. There are a few things that stand out there right One is you will own nothing. It's not will own nothing. They still plan to own things. They're going to still be on that path to wealth creation, so good luck to the rest of you. And then this whole concept that you're going to be happy. This SI up to get you to buy in that if you give up your ownership and you let somebody else take care of everything, that you're going to be such a happy person. And you know, if you just go back through history, you'll note that the people who did not have ownership, they were unfree, they were unhappy, and in many cases, you know, they starved and lost their lives. And I do think in urban communities and other poor communities across the country. You know, this is the defining factor. Is you know, when you do have income, even if it's a lower amount of income, are you taking any of it and finding a way to have that money work for you or is everything going out the door? And that is a potential game changer for people's lives. Yet you have the people who should be advocating for that doing the exact opposite. So it was very staggering to hear that, so much so that I had to check out. You know, the first thing I did was check it out to make sure it was true, and of course it was. And it's easily sourced on the World Economic Forum's own Twitter or slash acts, I don't know what we're calling it today, but their accounts, and so you can find this for yourself. But you know, if you want to be on that path to creating wealth for yourself for your family that you can pass on, it starts with that ownership of assets mindset, and so you know that on that note, you know, the whole idea of you will own nothing. You know, first of all, that is horrifying to me that there are people who are legitimately pushing this. So in the most generous way possible, what is their argument for that? Because I'm sure that there are people who are listening to this show who aren't even aware, who have never heard of this. They may not even know where the WEF is right, So what is the most generous way that we can read. What is the argument that they're making to the people as to why this is a good thing to not own anything. Well, that's the funny thing. In many cases, they don't make the argument. It's a prediction. They're predicting that it's going to happen, and then they're trying to get you to buy into being happy. But of course this is not the direct statement of you'll know nothing, you'll be happy. Comes from a number of other endeavors from the World Economic Forum that are similar. Can you rent everything that you need in your life? And so on and so forth. So the underlying thesis is trying to get people to buy into this care free lifestyle where you're taking care of you know. It's very symbiotic and similar to what the government tries to promise, Oh, don't worry about things. We've got you and you don't have to worry your silly little head about it. But it's the same thing that these Wall Street companies that are coming in and competing with families to buy single family homes and they're buying them up by the tens and tens of thousands. It's the same things that you'll see in their financial registration statements. You know, they're saying, oh, you know, it's so great for the middle class because you know, they don't have to worry about it, and they get all these amenities, and they're trying to get people to you know, trade off. You know that, oh you have skin in the game, and yes you might have to do something about that, but you get the word and instead get you to buy into this you know, yolo care free lifestyle that transfers wealth from Main Street to Wall Street, from the average American to the wealthy and well connected. And you know it's getting you to say, oh, well, you know, I don't need a car. It's so much easier to do X y Z. Oh you know, I don't need to buy a home. I'll let you know, Wall Street own it and they can take care of it and it'll just be so much easier. And you know, when you don't have that ownership, you give up not only the wealth creation opportunity, but you're giving up a lot of your agency and your sovereignty as well. I mean, think about all of these insane things that are trying to be rammed down our throats in terms of some of the climate activism things like you can't have a gas stove and whatnot. How much easier is that to affect if you have a core landlord who could just tell you sorry, that's you know, in your lease you cannot do that, Versus if you own your own home, then it's like, okay, yeah, good luck, come into my home and you can take my stove from me. So it's a it's a very different focus. And if you think about that across all kinds of things, from you know, owning firearms to protect yourself to you know, what it is that you can do and say, if you don't own these assets, these things that you need for your life, then you are beholden to somebody else, And that is not a good position to be in if you can't avoid it, without a doubt, without a doubt. I know, you know, I own this network, and there's a lot of conversations we couldn't say. There's a lot of things we couldn't say and do if if I didn't own it. So that's one of the numerous reasons as to why ownership is important. You know, it's interesting too because going back and we're talking with Carol Roth, who's the author of the book You Will Own Nothing. You know, earlier in the conversation, you mentioned about how it's important for people, even if they have, you know, low income, to do something, to get something of value, some sort of asset, to be able to own. Well, inflation reeks Havoc on that, right, Yes, it's correct, does it's It almost seems like and I'm not getting conspiratorial here, but it almost the perfect storm, right, Like, if you if your goal is to make sure that people own nothing, wouldn't it be in your interest to make things very expensive for them to buy? Yeah? I mean, and certainly, as we know, the inflation that we're experiencing disproportionately affects people based on your level of income. If you were poorer, middle class, it's going to impact your life in a very different way than you are. Then if you're wealthy. And that's one of the reasons why I have been one of the most outspoken critics of the FED and of their easy money policy over the past close to a decade and a half before they shifted it around, because what that was was a historic wealth transfer again from the poor and main street America to Wall Street and the wealthy and well connected. And it's funny because you know, I've been in financial news a long time and you would have these commentators and you have the FED and whatnot and saying like, oh, you know, it's just it's incredible because you know, they're printing all this money and we have cheap and available debts and zero interest rate policy, and we're not seeing inflation. And it's like, of course you're seeing inflation. You're seeing inflation and assets and that benefits you, guys. So you love that. We don't call that when when we call that appreciation when it happens to the asset side, because everybody hold of them appreciate the fact that that's going up in value, right, they love that. That's adset appreciation, little play on words there. But you know, on the other side of it, you know, it wasn't until we shifted the policy and put the direct stimulus into individuals' hands first under the Trump administration and then doubled down on by the Biden administration. That we saw that move from asset inflation to you know, basic spending and cost of living type of inflation in a very meaningful way. And so these people who are going, oh, well, you know what's amazing, this is the only time we've seen it. It's like, oh, it's not. You're just part and parceling it in a different way. And so you've you've hit on both sides. You've made the people who are wealthy even wealthier because you've made those assets increase in value. And if you've made it harder for somebody who you know, may not have as much money, or who may be saving for retirement, who is retired or is younger to participate in those assets because we've inflated their values, you know, through this policy. And then at the same time, you know, on the other side of that, then you have inflation. So they're having a hard time keeping up with cost of living, let alone thinking about these these kinds of assets. So really, the middle class the poor have gotten this coming and going, and it's incredibly frustrating because you know, the the people who are in quote unquote leadership positions will never call it out. The Federal Reserve itself, the governments, you know, the bad actors you know around them don't say, you know, lord, you know we we caused this, and we're so sorry, and you were trying to, you know, put out the fire that we started, but instead they burnt your house down. And now they show up with like a mere little water bottle and like, hey, let us help, you know, try and put out the fire for you, without acknowledging that they were the arsonists. So it's a very frustrating situation. And because it is kind of opaque, people they see the symptoms, but they don't really know the ailment. And that's why I'm always very appreciative of these kinds of conversations, because the more people who understand where this is truly coming from, the more we can get people who are pushing back. In fact, RB you know, there was a protest at the FED this week with climate activists and there were two things that came out of that. One I was like, it's you know, it's sad that the only people protesting the FED are climate activists, You're not average Americans. And then second there were a bunch of arrests, and I was really upset that they weren't arresting the central bankers who have been scamming all of us, and they were arresting the protesters. 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You anna comment is very important for the algorithm and for those of you who've already done so, thank you, oh so very much. Miss O'Malley, you up your favorite interview? Ooh, so I want to go with that would be episode three five. I have to be specific because y'all need to go back and listen to it. It is with Leslie, David Baker, Kate Flannery and Oscar Nunas when they were talking about the show called The Office. And so originally I did not get to I didn't I couldn't remember who what the show was, and of course Darvio you reminded me. But I can say my favorite person on there was Kate Flannery because I am into acting and she was just so generous with her knowledge, you know, and just giving me a lot of insight and hope, and it just my eyes lit up. So is that's my one of my favorite ones? All right, we're gonna go to that right now. All right, we have another guest with us who was also part of that iconic legendary show, The Office. Kate Flannery, welcome. How are you doing. I'm fantastic. How you doing. What's up? I'm good, I'm good. Talk about what it was like to be a part of the Office, You know what. The Office was the greatest show to work on for a number of reasons, but one thing. We got our own desk. We got our own seats, so you had, like, you got to sit if you wanted to. A lot of actors don't get to sit. Just notice when you saw some of those shows, like sometimes people don't sit. We always got to sit, which is super comfortable. I had the most comfortable wardrobe. My biggest feet on the show was to not laugh. Don't laugh because you're gonna ruin it for somebody else. Don't ruin the take. So that's a really good problem to have. Absolutely, So with that being said, obviously it must have been a lot of fun being on the set and shooting the show. Talk a little bit about that. We had some of the greatest writers on earth on the Office, and I'm so proud of the show. I feel like it still holds up and I think there's so many kids that come upon it and if they're really smart. They get it because it's also kind of like being in school, and Michael Scott's kind of like your teacher, like the bosses like the teacher, and you have to sit next to somebody didn't pick, you know, like your desk is next to Dwight. You're like, ugh, you know, I think there's a lot to relate to. I really do, absolutely, Robert. Okay, So my question would be, what is your favorite scene in this show that you have done so far? Oh my gosh, so hard to pick one, but one of my favorites was when Michael Scott drags Meredith in a rehab and we had to improvise this. It was a few times I got to improvise on the show. And we had this whole chase scene in the parking life. It was nuts, and we had two people dressed up like us that were stunt doubles. But we were like, we'll try it if we get hurt, and I was like, I don't care if I break my leg. I'm doing this. I want to do this, I don't care. I did a bunch. I got to do a bunch of my own stunts. So it was really fun living life on the wild Side. I love it. I sort of felt like I got to do so much physical comedy and like sometimes doing a stunt at an extension of that. And it's funnier if it's the person that the real actor that Sometimes I think it's funnier when you know, because then it doesn't take you out. You know, it's them you see there, Like when I when Meredith g is hit by Michael Scott's car, I hit the glass. You can see me, you can see it's my face. It's not like so yeah, you know. So my question is is what i'd see here? That you were also on Dancing with the Stars. How is that? That was really hard? You cannot party when you're on Dancing with the Stars. It is like being a sudden new athlete. And I was fifty five when I did it. I can't believe it, but I had a really great time. I ended up doing most of the tour too. Actually I was in Cleveland for the tour as well, and it was it was just like it was the greatest Uh. I think anytime you work with really great people that are really good at what they do, like the pros and to this starts, they're incredible they teach you that you have to trust them and they push you, and I just felt like it was it was just like amazing to be at that level with like these these guys that are like my My dance partner was like he's he his wife for seven time national champs and their international champs. Like what am I doing? Like Meredith, the drunk from the office is dancing with him? Dance? Probably what is happening? So I definitely gave it my all, that's for sure. So I have to ask you, there's, uh, there may be one thing that a lot of people may or may not know. You were actually on an episode of one of my odd time favorite shows, which is the Bernie mac Show. Talk about what that was like, what that was like being on the show, what that was like working with Bernie. So this is a year and a half before I got the office, I booked an episode of Bernie Mack. It's called Stip Upper Lip. Bernie is the greatest. He is the greatest. He was the greatest. Not only was he funny, he was super kind. He used to have a separate lunch in his his dressing room and he would invite all the kids on the show with their parents because you know, they kids can't work without their parents. So he like gave everybody like another place to relax during the show, which is like it's unheard of for somebody who's He's the kindest, he's the best. I mean, usually guys are number one on the show. All they do is think about themselves. Not Bernie Mack and I. When I got invited to that lunch, I was like, oh my god, this is amazing. And did you know the Creed Bratton who plays Creed on the Office, He was in that episode too. He plays a doctor. He didn't have any lines, but they go to the hospital. The whole episode is about like Bernie's a like a like they're going to on a field trip and Bernie's one of the parents with the kids, watching the kids and one of the kids is in a wheelchair and Bernie's like, come on, hurry up, like and I played the mother. That's like, why are you yelling at my son? You know, so funny, Oh my god, such a funny, like just again real life premise, like we're all human beings. You know, he messed up. He didn't mean it. He treated the kid like he was a right arm kid, and you know that was his argument. He's like, he can, he can wheel faster. Come on, he's the great, He's the greatest. What a loss we I mean, seriously, if if you've never seen Bernie Mack, go find him. You'll see. He is hilarious. And the story on his TV show was the story that happened in real life. He took in his nieces and nephews and he became their parent. He dropped everything for those kids and raised them and he was like, I don't know what I'm doing, but he did it. So that's a big heart. That's a big man, funny guy, really the real deal. I love it. You love Bernie Mack. Absolutely. Absolutely let everybody know how to follow you on social media if they want to keep up with what you got going on all that good stuff. Absolutely, I'm at the real Kate Flannery on Instagram. I'm at Kate Flanner on Twitter. I'm sort of on Facebook, but i feel like I'm never on enough. But that's yeah, but you can find me in Kate Flannery. And I also tour with Jane Lynch. We did a Christmas album, so we're gonna be touring again. This Christmas. If you go to Jane Lynch Official you can get tickets to our tour. We're going to be like a thinking twenty cities, so this should be fun. Yeah, awesome. Thank you so much for spending time with us. We really appreciate it. Thank you so much, and thanks for thanks for still watching the Office, you guys. It means a lot, absolutely all right, one more time, we want to send a special shout out, of course in the first segment to Carol Roth for coming on the show, but also as well to Kate Flannery and the rest of the alumni from the Office. That was a very awesome opportunity. We were very excited about that. Dante, you up. Well, I'm just keeping in the tradition of what I said at the beginning of the show about you know sports. Every year that we get to go to Caves Media Day for me is just a treat. And then highlighting want to really really give the Calves the credit they deserve in their flight, especially in the wake of a Cleveland media member or Cleveland sports commentator who is not from here, by the way, had he from New York, but had the audacity to say that, you know, there's you know, Cleveland sports fans are shackled with you know, terrible ownership with all three sports franchises, and that was something that we pushed back and actually punched back, specifically with the Cavaliers won because the Cavs won a championship. So you may not like some of the things with Dan Gilbert, but he won a championship, so he's a saint in this town. But also one of the things that we've experienced personally every single time that we go to Caves media day is seeing not just black faces, but black faces and positions of power and positions of real authority within the team. Right We're not just saying, oh, well it's a black team because they got black player, or you see the black general manager, your slash team president and Kobe Altman, or you know black head coaching Jamie Bickerstaff. But but we've seen UH communications directors and media personnel and people who have real influence with with the organization vps on the business side that are that are that are black. So I want to give the Caves their flowers. And in this interview with UH, somebody who just always kept it real with us man every single time has gone out of his way to give us time at CAZ Media Day, even when uh we weren't on the you know, on the original list, to get a one on one interview with him. And that's that's our guy, Donovan Mitchell. All right and we're gonna go to that right now, Donovan Mitchell, welcome back. How you doing, sir, well Man, Glad to be back, Glad to be here, and I'm excited to get to it. You know what I'm saying, absolutely, man. Before we get into this, I want to say this publicly. Want to give you your flowers, man, because last year was our first year here media Day, we were going through the process. I ain't no nothing nobody we was trying to. We wanted to make sure we got got you for an interview. You know, your handlers that put you all over the place, but you made sure that you came back over here and talked to us, man. So I want to give your flowers and public man, I appreciate that so always, man, I got to make sure I look out and I appreciate y'all too. I appreciate y'all one hundred percent absolutely man. So of course last year didn't end the way you guys wanted it to. But it was valuable experience, especially for you know, some of the players that had never been to the playoffs before. Talk a little bit about what that experience was like and now using that as fuel for the seat. Yeah, you know, I think it fuels you. I think it's something that you know, you sit at home and watch, you listen, you hear, you know, there's always something being said. You know. I think for us, we have a group of guys that really take that into you know, our consideration, take that to heart. You know what I'm saying. I think that you'll you'll see that throughout the season. I think for myself, to have the year I had in the regular season and then play the way I play in the playoffs is something that really keeps me up or kept me up. You know. Right now, I've moved on and understand that, you know, I've got to continue to be the player that I am and I will continue to be. But I think it's a group we all feel the same way. But there's a lot of things you can learn from that. There's a lot of things you could take from that, And I think that's the biggest thing is how do we find a way to take the lessons from the heartbreak and not just you know, sit there and let that to tear us from our main goal. Absolutely, man, And I know Dante, I talk about this all the time, Like the media pisces me off, and like the way that they talk about y'all and the way that you know, because the season didn't end the way you wanted it to, they act like the entire season was a failure. How do you guys deal with all of the outside noise all of that stuff, because obviously you try to block it out, but we know it gets in sometimes, so like, how do you how do y'all deal with that? Well? I mean, you know, we live in a world where it's like a one have you done for me lately? And two it's like if you don't have a championship, you ain't doing anything And we can sit here and debate that, or I could find a way that we could find a way to win a championship, Like you know what I mean, I'm not, It's it's just the world we live in. It's just the way of it. And honestly, as a competitor, I wouldn't want any other way, Like you know, yeah, we did some positive things in the regular season, but ultimately it's like, look, we deserve the criticism, you know. I think sometimes it goes a little overboard, but you know, everybody has their opinion until we shut them up. You know, they feel free to say whatever they want to say. So I can't really you know, I don't think any of us can really say anything about that. So ultimately, we got to go out there and put the work in and do what we do, and I think I have no doubt we will. But you know, as far as that stuff goes, man, it's miss noise. It's always gonna be there. It's probably gonna be there anymore so this year than then last year. And you know, ultimately, you know, no way to get it to either stop or turn the other way is to win. And I think that's that's you can either city I consider and power about it. I can sit here and do somebody you know what I mean. I think that's how we all feel. Do you ever find it strange though? How like the same people that will build you up to try to you know, oh we got down and Mitchell, this year, right is the new season. Everything is on the up and up, and then you hit a little bit of adversity and it's then it's like, what, we gotta knock him down now, right, But it's like it seems like a lot of times we build just to knock down and then when you were dealing, like right, So if you win a championship this year, it's like, oh, look at the redemption story. Right, So isn't it crazy how how that process is? And how do you stay in love with basketball while not liking that? Well, I mean, like it's the it's the Batman line, you have to die hero see yourself to come to bielin Like you know what I'm saying. You know, it is what it is, it's part of it. And you know, Dennis Robins said something in the last dance. He said, you I don't agree all the way, but he said, you don't get paid for what you do on the floor. You get paid for all the bulls that comes after off of it, you know what I mean, Like at the end of the day, like I said I could, it's it's the way of its just the nature of the beast. Like I don't really I've been fortunate enough to be thrust into this light at an early point in my career, my first season, so I'm used to this, like this is my first year. I was shit, been rook of the year, YadA, YadA, whatever. So then going and having a not so great start to the year the season, and now the same people that were you know, you know, I'll bring up steven A because I've told him this, Like steven A was like, man, he's gonna be great. Same next year he was like, man, this dude is playing like track, Like like you know what I'm saying. But ultimately, like there's a level of consistency, consistency that comes to greatness, and ultimately, like if you're not getting booed, then you know, there's no expectation on you, if you're not getting hate on, there's no expectations. I mean, like clearly as an expectation for myself and for us to be at this level, we didn't meet that expectation. So now it's like, how do we find a way to get to that expectation? Not because everybody out there, but it's because of because of us. We want to be that for ourselves and all that, you know, take care of ourself. I'm cursing and all that sorry, but like, uh, but I ultimately for for myself in this group. Man, we can't sit here. I can't sit here and worry about that. I can't sit here and say like, oh man, you know they hating on us today, Like you know what I mean. If I was a fan, I do the same thing, like you know what I'm saying, Like I'm not uh, you know, I'm not naive to that. Like we have we have an expectation to be this but to be this good, we have to go out there and be this good. That's what comes with greatness and that's the expectation. All right. And finally, man, I know you gotta wrap here. Last year when we talked to you, you would you just got here, just get into the city. Have you gotten adjusted? Do you have you know some favorite hot spots and restaurants or whatever you adjusted to the city. Yeah, you know, I've gotten a few spots spot called. I can't eat there too much because I I gotta stay to make sure I stay on my diet. But Zanzibar downtown, that place is o d I don't think they know that I be in there all the time. I kind of come in there with a hood and I had on, so I don't think no one really. I try to walk around and be on the radar, but I be in there a lot like that's my that's my spot. Lit was probably went to the other night as a team I think called Fahrenheit. I think it just opened up that spot still. But obviously I gotta give a shout out to Marbro Room. I love Marble Room. That's my that's my spot after games and all that. So those are probably my three, my three spots. And then the Chick fil A by my crib too. I won't say where I'm at, but I took a by my crib. They take care of so I appreciate them as well. All right, Donovian Mitchell, thank you so much. Man. We appreciate it. Man, appreciate all the love that you showed us since you got here. Man. All right, stay tuned. We have more to come with the best of the Outlaws. This is the Outlaws Radio Show. Welcome back, Welcome back. You're listening to the Outlaws. Make sure, of course you follow us well. You like us on Facebook at Facebook dot com slams the Outlawsradio. Follow us on Twitter and Instagram at the Outlaws Radio, Miss O'Malley, your next one up. So my next one is, of course the one it is episode three sixty with Crazy Bone, because shout out to Crazy Bone. His people is our people, you know, and they always seem to just keep us in that you know, the circle and come to us. That way we can be one of the ones, one of the main ones to be able to get the message out about things that he wants to get out. But at that point he was talking about the street naming of East ninety ninth and that is just history for Cleveland, Ohio, which was a phenomenal, great day. It was insane, everybody's being chased by bees, but it was a great one. But that was definitely a great episode, absolutely, And so we're going to go to that right now, Crazy Bone walking back. How you doing, Star, Oh good, brother, how you doing? I'm good? I'm good. So there's a lot of things to discuss, a lot of stuff going on. First thing we got to talked about is the news just broke that the city of Cleveland is going to be renaming East ninety nine after Bone, Thugs and Harmony. So first of all, talk about how that makes you feel, man, How what what was the what's the what's the emotion of knowing that you know, that kind of dedication that's gonna last forever that the city is given to y'all. Man. You know, it's it's it's a real uh, it's a real humbling, uh experience. You know. To know this is you know, from where we came from. This is a you know, from this street going to a street to where we didn't think we was gonna make it off of you know, we didn't think we was gonna make it off for ninety nine. You know what I'm saying, because of all the stuff we used to be into. So for that to do a full circle and not thinking we were gonna make it to heaven the street named after us, that it's unexplainable. The feeling is you know, like the feeling is priceless, bro. It's just like it's it's truly a blessing, you know that we were able to like basically turn all that negativity into into this definitely a blessed feeling. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know I remember when when Steve Harvey was also from Glenville, when they renamed the street after him, you know, he cried on on on national television. I think a lot of people may not know, especially if you're not from Cleveland. You know, Cleveland today is a lot different than it was back then. Like the city's been through a whole lot, and you came up around that era, you know what I mean. Like I'm old enough to remember the tail end of the crack era, like you come. You came up around that era. Man, it was it was tough man. So just talk a little bit about that. Talk a little bit about like you just said, going from remembering what it was like on those streets to now, you know, having that street named after you. Yeah, man, you know, because you know it was it was. It was rough man, you know, like we were we you know, we were like everybody else in a city at that you know, we were very poor, you know, we and we was we had to grow up very fast. You know what I'm saying. I was. I was out on my own when I was sixteen years old, you know, So it was like we were, man, it was that whole that whole thing was crazy. I remember us, you know, trying to trying to win the whole crack thing. Crack epidemic came into place, us trying to do that as well, but to keep it one hundred. We wasn't even really good at it. We just we just we just really did it basically just to sustain day to day because our main thing was always music. But you know, like we was in the streets, like we was homeless, like so we had to do we had to do to survive. But our main thing was music. We was never one thing about us we was we was I mean any I mean, you can't control what goes goes on in the street, but our mind state was to try to stay as far as away from it being in it as possible, knowing that we have to be in it, meaning let's try to focus more on music and put more of our energy into music than what we're doing on the streets. And I think that's what, you know, like finally balanced it out for us and saved us and pulled us up out of there because we started to take music much more serious than we did the streets. MM, we're talking with crazy bone legged day. Crazy ball doesn't harden me, Robert. I know you got a question, go right now, Okay, So my question is what was it like growing up on each ninety ninth back then, like for you, oh man, it was it was. It was wild. We had we had some we had some wild nights. I remember one of my one of my homies, Tombstone, who was from who was from uh he was originally from Inglewood, California. I remember one day he came down the street and he was like, man, it looked like Compton. Here we we and we had never been to Comptent, but he was like, bros, it looked crazy out here. Like so it was like we was like we was into any every thing you could think of. If it made us money, we was doing it, you know what I'm saying. Like I would, I would say we was them dudes. You did not want to like run into on the streets and we needed something that like really it was that sit and I hate like talking about it now because like I don't like like glorifying the way we had to scratch and scrape to get by. But that was just our mentality. It was like we're homeless. We here now on the streets. We gotta live and it is those were some very dark days, like literally dark days, you know what I'm saying. And like I said, to be able theo to come out of those days. Man, And you know, I remember, like just like like all kind of stuff happening on ninety nine, the day that we the day that we actually shot our video, the day we brought Easy out here to shoot our video. I don't know if y'all remember, but the video was shot up and six people got shot at the video shoot wow on same clear. I don't know what made w Z a K get on the ear and say that Easy was gonna be on Saint Clair shooting the video. But that was not the right thing to do at the time, like because the entire city of Cleveland was on Saint Claire that day, and I'm like, this is not going to end well, Like it's not going to end well, and it didn't, you know, Like so just like it's it's a lot of good and bad memories over there, you know. But like I said, I'm just glad we was able to make it up out of there and just make something positive. And now, you know, and now people are looking at us at a different light instead of you know again, you know what, right, you know it's I mean, y'all have an amazing story, and you know, Cleveland shows y'all a lot of love, like Cleveland loves Boom. Talk about what that's like, man, talk about what it's like to get that love from the city. And it's been pretty, you know, pretty consistent from the moment that y'all came out, Like the city has been rocking with y'all. Yeah, man, it's it's it's definitely been consistent, man, you know, and you know, I gotta give hats off to the city, man, because like I hear all the time, you know, you you hear all the time, you know, artists talking about you know, well, man, you know, they hate you the most in your own city. They hate you the most where you come from and d D D. I mean, we've experienced some hate, but that's that's awhere you go. But overall, the city has stood behind us, like like people tell me their stories, like people like like people like man, when when when y'all came out, Hey where I went and I told people out from Cleveland, they showed me love just because of y'all, you know what I'm saying. Told them, I ain't even know y'all, you know what I'm saying. So it was just like like the love that the city had and consistently has. Man, It's impressive to me. That's why, you know, that's why I was impelled to come back, and like always had this plan, but it was it really energized me when I seen your mona love that the city still have for us, man, and I you know, they deserve some of their love back in return for sure. Definitely. Man. Man, that's what's up and and and you know, going through like when you're talking about the things that y'all went through and all of that. To have the street named after you, what do you think, uh, that can how you think that can serve as an inspiration for maybe people who are in ninety nine, for Saint Clair right now, who are growing up in that right now. You know what I mean? Man? You know yeah, yeah, you know, because I see the dudes is out there now. You know what I'm saying. You know those dudes, they they real out there, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, you know, but I want those dudes to know, you know what I'm saying, Like, don't you know I know we in this city, you know, we all going into this situation and to the ghetto or whatnot. You know what I'm saying, and it's a it's a tricky place, but like we can't let you can't let your surroundings in your environments automatically doom you. You know, like you know when you I hear a lot of people in their music saying, well, you I was forced to do this. I'm a product of my environment. But you don't have to be because we all have one of these a mind, and we are the only one that can control that mind. Nobody else. We can let other people do it, but we have the power to cut all that off and be like, you know what, I'm not gonna go this route everybody else is going. I'm gonna go do this even though I may have to go get me a job, I may have to do it the right way for a while. This is not about to take me under, like like like the way I look at things now, Like and I had this knowledge and somebody telling me this, I would have probably listened, you know what I'm saying, because it's like, wasn't nobody telling us these things? But I'm telling people like, you know, just because you're in the hood or you're in the best situation, that's not the end of the world. Miracles happen every day. People's success stories and dreams come true every day. They're not just dreams, you know what I'm saying. Like they can become reality if you put your mind to it and you and you properly playing for it, you know what I'm saying. So that's what I would tell to younger people. Yeah. Absolutely, And you know it's really interesting. I'm a fan like most people in Cleveland. I'm a Both Dugs man. I've been of Both Dugs man forever. And you know, it's interesting, man, when people really listen to your music and go through your catalog for real. You know, it's not just, of course the songs that everybody knows and the gangs the songs and all of that, but y'all have a lot of really conscious music as well. Was that something that was that something that y'all set out to do intentionally to speak to some of those issues, whether it was like Crossroads or I tried, or you know what I mean, Like, was it something that y'all set out to do intentionally or was it just speaking on y'all reality and how y'all felt about that whatever subject that was at the time. I mean at first, it was just speaking on our reality. I'm not gonna lie and say we came out trying to give messages to people and da da da. It was just the life we lived. We knew what kind of everything we went through to get to where we were. So we were like, if we can help anybody, like if we could lead by experience, and like, you know what I'm saying, Like people can look at us and be like, you know what I'm saying. I want to be as successful as they were. You know what I'm saying, And you know that's that's that's a wonderful thing. But I can't say that we actually planned that out. I think we were just basically speaking from our experience and emotions. And once we started realizing the effect that we had on people, I think that's when we, at least I started taking it more seriously, realizing the platform that we had and realizing, you know, we don't have to talk about all negative stuff all the time. We can tell these people our experiences in a way to have them think twice about following our steps, you know. Like so like it all kind of gradually just came along as we went. Yeah, because you know, one song I'm thinking about off the top of my head, and this topic is get up and get it. I mean, that's that was, you know, one of those type of songs where you know, you don't see a ton of artists, a ton of ton of rappers doing that type of music now, And when you go back and listen to it, it is it was clear that, you know, y'all was saying, y'all had something to say. You weren't just rapping to be rapping. You have to say, do you think that was a difference in your music now versus some of the stuff you see today. Oh yeah, I mean, I mean, you know, I mean it's all levels, man. You know, because when we came out, when we came out, like if you notice our first EP, people on to come up in Eternal, I don't think we were saying nothing positive. We were. We were kicking everybody's ass and taking names. You know what I'm saying. We was, We was because that's because we was fresh out that you know, we was. We was fresh out the trenches, fresh off of ninety nine. Like, so that was our moment. We was mad. We was militantly was mad. We was like all those emotions wrapped up in one so we didn't have nothing positive to say. We was like the world at that time, you know what I'm saying. So, but as we you know, when we got to art the War and those other letter albums, things started to calm down for us. So we started to see what we had and who we were and where we were going and what we had done. And then we you know, everything had started to come together after that, and you know, we just started making making music like you know, I just got a feeling like you know, we're supposed to be doing more, like people, all these people love us like it's it's it's a crazy unconditional love too. So we gotta we got to give these people more than just shoot them up bang bang types. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, absolutely, all right, all right, And my next pick is episode looking for the Number Here, episode the three sixty four, as Ohio Secretary of State Frank L. Rose, who is running for the United States Senate. It was it's always a pleasure when we're able to, you know, talk to people who have an impact on our our on our lives, and and really, you know, for someone who's who's running for the Senate, who's our secretary of state right now to stop by and kick it with us. You know, I really appreciated that. So we're going to go to Frank L. Rose's interview right now. What's talking with Ohio Secretary of State Frank the Rose, who's running for United States Senate. We have a few minutes left, so A're gonna get to a couple of questions real quick. What is your top priority when you get elected to the Senate. It's our economy. Families are struggling, and it's it's it's hurting. It's hurting Ohioance, and I can't stand by well that happens. This is one of the main reasons why I'm motivated to do this. Listen, when when I was in the State Senate, we were able to balance the budget and cut taxes and streamline regulations and also invest in the things that matter. We invested in public education because this is the great equalizer in our country. Each of us comes from, you know, different backgrounds. Some families have more money than others. But if we're going to truly be that meritocracy where every kid has the chance to succeed, we've got to have great public education. So we've invested in that. We've invested in infrastructure, roads and bridges, and power and water and all the things that it really takes to run an economy. Those are the kind of things I'll do at the federal level to help get our economy back on track again. The solutions that Brown and Biden have come up with are are actually hurting families and not helping them. And we're going to turn the corner and make America prosperous and strong again. And also another issue that's near dear to my heart because it's something that is impacting us as I know you're aware. You know we've had an uptick in crime and a lot of our cities, not only in Ohio but across the country, but especially in Ohio. You know we're based in Cleveland. You know, there's been a very significant problem with an increase in crime. So and I know there's you know, there's limits as far as what you can do on the federal level, but sind you become and I state senator, what would your approach be do to kind of help these cities deal with these crime issues that's going on right now, and this is impacting our minority communities more than anybody else. I mean, it starts with enforcing the law. The reason why we have prisons are for violent criminals, right, for people that hurt our families and our communities. But there are smart sanctions for other kinds of crimes where we can really rehabilitate people. We call it the Department of Rehabilitation and Corrections for a reason. We all fall short from time to time. And you know, we believe in helping people to get back into life after they've been incarcerated. This is why I've led the charge with an initiative that helps people get registered to vote after they get out of incarceration, because we know that one of the best things we can do so that people don't fall back into a life of crime is to get them back involved in their families, their communities, their churches, and part of that is being a registered voter. But it also comes down to make making sure that we support our police. That means they need to have the equipment and the training they need to deal with all the challenges they face. They end up interacting with people that are struggling with addiction and mental health problems, getting them that crisis intervention training that they need, because when a police officer encounters somebody who's having a mental health crisis, they need to be able to handle that in a way where it's safe for the police officer and safe for the citizen that's having that crisis. And with the right training, they can do that. And also comes down to making sure that our police forces reflect our community. A diverse police force is a focus that I think we ought to have training these diverse police forces to be out in the community, to be present, to go play basketball with the local kids so that they know that, hey, that man or woman in uniform, that's not my enemy, that's my friend, and you know they're there to keep us safe. Those are the kind of things that we need to see more of. And you're right most of that is at the local level, but there's some things that we can do at the betteral level as well. Yeah. I mean, thing that I think maybe can be done is, like you said, increase in the resources. I mean, we have a severe problem here in Cleveland the police department is that as the lowest levels it's been since nineteen twenty eight. We need more officers. Do you think that at the federal level that maybe there can be more resources putting put into recruitment and retention, and I mean the pays not good. They're dealing with all all the kind of stuff that they're dealing with, and it's a crisis level at this point. Sure it is, And there are federal grant programs that we need to invest in that can help cities with the hiring those kind of public safety officers that we need. But you know, there's something else that doesn't get talked about enough, and that is the root of some of these crime crime problems that we face. Listen, when I was in Kosovo, i was there as part of the peacekeeping operation. One of the biggest problems in Kosovo that was causing violence was massive of unemployment. People were bored and they were desperate, and they were sitting around, and so they engaged in criminal type enterprises. We need to work on rebuilding our communities in the way that people have meaningful work and they can build their families and live in good housing and have a stable life, because people are way less likely to commit crimes when they're living their best life. And that means making sure that fathers are actively involved in the lives of their children, there's this really cool program here in Columbus and a friend of mine named al Edmunds, who owns a barber shop out on the east side of Columbus in the King Lincoln neighborhood. He started this thing on Father's Day where they do they do a big breakfast for dads and their kids and they give out the Father of the Year Award. I was a little offended because I had a mug for my kids that said I was the number one dad. But evidently evidently somebody else won the award this year. But I attended that because I believe in father right, and so getting helping men to be actively involved in the lives of their children is just another part of this because kids need role models, and if they don't find it from a coach or a father, or a Scout leader or a teacher, they're going to find mentorship the wrong way from a local gang leader or a criminal. And that's that's that's problematic for our families, all right. And uh, finally, and I just I believe I know where you're where you're at on this. You kind of mentioned it earlier, but I just wanted to ask you directly for the record school choice is something that's very important to me. I view it as a as a civil rights issue. I think it's the civil rights issue of our time. Where are you on school choice and parents' rights as far as education goes? This is one of the key things that I'm running on again. Parents' rights are crucial. We as parents have this responsibility and nobody, no government bureaucrat, nobody should step between us and our children. And You're right, school choice is a civil rights issue because where where we have some of the most struggling public schools in our state is in our minority communities, and it's chipping away at that great American tradition that any kid can be whatever they dream of. And to make sure that every child has the opportunity to succeed, we need competition. Competition makes us stronger. We know that it works on the athletic field, it works in the free market, and it needs to work in public education. Until there's that kind of competition and choice for parents about which environment is best for their children, we will not be able to have that great meritocracy where every kid has the opportunity to succeed. I'm a firm supporter of school choice. And I've led on this issue in the state legislature and I'll lead on this issue in Washington. All right, let everybody know how to get in contact with you, if they want to get in contact with you on social media, if they want to get more information about the campaign, The website, all that good stuff. Absolutely, yeah, check us out at frank LeRose dot com. That's the campaign website. You can sign up to be a part of team. You can message me right on there, and then we're also on all the different social media channels. It's just at frank Lorose for me personally and for my campaign team. We've got a new social media handle that's at Loro's for Senate. And I look forward to the conversation. I look forward to the job interview. This for the next year and a half for me, is a year and a half long job interview. Every day I'm going to be talking to your listeners, my prospective employers, and asking them to hire me for a job. And I hope that they do because I know I can make a difference. All Right, stay tuned, We have more to come here on the best of the Outlaws. Fucka say welcome back, Welcome back, you're listening to the Outlaws, the best of Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, all of that good stuff, and Dante. This interview was really really dope to me. This was during you know, election season, but episode three eighty two our guy now friend of show, Shay Hawkins. I wanted to I wanted to give him some love because that was one of the best interviews that we did all year. I really really appreciate him taking the time. That was just a you know, it was an extra. It was a just a great conversation about his story. He's a buck eye, so old h but id talking to him that day that that interview really did something for me. So I appreciate that, and I wanted to get out on some love, all right, and we're going to go to that right now. The opportunities on legislation is probably one of the things that you're knowing that you're known the most for. Yes, talk about what it's like, man, what it feels like to see to be a part of that, to have written it and to see it implemented, and how it's helped people. You know, talk about how that makes you feel to see the success of something like that that's actually having a real impact on people's lives. Man, it's great. It really is special. Some of the folks. You know, a lot of the work on Capitol Hill involves meeting with different stakeholders, people from your home state, people from other states, you know, people who have an interest in the legislation that are that's being drafted, and things like that. We had a lot of key meetings during taxophone. They were twenty four to seven where you're basically representing the member of Congress that you work for, you know, in those meetings, and people would always emphasize people who have been around Capitol Hill. They're like, you could have been on Capitol Hill fifteen years and never had the chance to work on legislation. Is significant as what we did in taxi form, you know, just because the pieces have to come together, so you know, and it's such a timely fashion. Your party has to be, you know, in power. The American people have to be desirous of what you guys want to do. You know. It's really it's really a special thing. And opportunity zones was not a top priority during the drafting process. We were dealing with a one point five trillion dollar tax bill and opportunity zones was you know, a a two billion dollar you know, two billion dollars over ten years proposition. That's what we thought, you know, in terms of what it would cost the government of tax dollars. And you know, so I had to literally work on opportunity zones quote unquote in my spare time, which I didn't have have a lot of that now, you know, and Senator Scott always jokes that if I got a cold during tax reform and missed two days of work, opportunity zones wouldn't exist. Wow. And so you're talking about just in the first three years. You know, we hope that fifty billion dollars would come in over ten years. We now know that fifty billion dollars came in just in the first three years, and that you know that that capital is changing lives. I mean, it's already the most successful community development policy in American history. Wow. And so you know, knowing that I was able to be a part of that, you know, it's exactly what I wanted when I said, Hey, I'm going to take a couple of years of pivot to public service. You know, it is exactly the type of impact that I wanted to have, and I feel blessed, you know, because you know, the Lord put the right put me with the right person who was in the right position, and then I was prepared over the years, you know, my skill set for that for that moment, you know, and so it really is in some ways kind of a capstone in my career. And it's it's really amazing. People here at Cleveland who are touching the policy, dealing with it in one way or the other, are particularly proud, you know, they are particularly proud that a Clevelander it was so instrumental to this process, and like I said, them being proud makes me the more proud. So yeah, it's it's it's something. It's really amazing, And like I said, I just feel blessed because because there's so many moving parts. So you can be the smartest guy, you can be hard working, you know, you can you know, you can have the best ability to interact with other staffers and be the most personal or whatever. But you know, if the timing is not right, then that stuff really doesn't matter. And so I feel blessed not just to have been prepared, but also to have been out on Capitol Hill at the right time. I know you're you're a big ten guy, and you know so Dante is also a big ten guy. So with that, we're gonna transition a little bit because I know he has a question. Yes that ain't got nothing to do when we've been talking about but he's gonna go ahead and ask you. Go ahead, Shade, so as a first and foremost because you are also a buck eye. Oh h I oh, that's right. So our our rivals to the north are in some some hot water because they could they did all of this cheating because they couldn't beat us. So just just really quick, because we you know, we every you know this is not as important as what's going on, but what's your thoughts on that man? Do you actually want to see hardball suspended? Or do you want to make him coach without our you know, without our signs? Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. So So here's the thing. We we we know why he's cheating. We know why he's cheating, and as badly as as his record is against us, I almost don't even blame him, you know, I mean the guy, you know, you know, the guy had to do something. He was on the verge of being fired, and so you know, he's cheating to win in a number of areas and overall, you know, he Harball has demonstrated some really poor judgment. You know, he tried to hire Joe Shimbckler's son. Turns out the guy's got a whole bunch of racist tweets out there. He just had one of his staff caught up in some sort of some sort of catcher predators scandals, so they had to they had to fire him. You know. So these are all people that that that he's hiring, including it looks like he hired some people to obviously steal signs, you know, and so you know some of these coaches for doing others have the receipts, and so you know, you really don't want to see these guys blow through, you know, kind of on a you know, on a falsified record and then be successful. You don't want to see it. But on the other hand, you know, on the other hand, I feel like it's it's very it's a lot to ask the authorities to suspend them before they conclude their investigation. And you know, for us, I feel like if you let the season play out, then Harbaugh and the people who are helping them you know, I don't blame the players, but Harbard and the people who are helping him do wrong are going to get what they deserve, meaning on the field too, yep. And so my inclination is to let the investigation play out. Let it play out, and you know, he should get as severe punishment as is available given what comes back. That's that's what I said too. I I don't want him suspended. I want him to I want to coach it straight up because clear, the results are clear, right, the results before and after are very clear, very and no nobody in Columbus, no, no, bluck, I felt, we're not afraid of that guy, right like you know, we we dominated him. He was on the verge of getting fired, like you said, And I just want him to coach it straight up because I I mean, the last two years have been kind of weird right where it's like we, I mean, we dominated this guy, We dominated this programmed. You know, when was it seventeen and one or something like that, and all of a sudden, two straight years, you guys are three four touchdowns better than us, Like I don't know, and then this happened and now we find out why. So so yeah, I just I just want to just take on that as a Oh yeah, now he tried to run from us during the COVID year. You know, yep, they forget They conveniently forget about that part too. Oh forty five guys had COVID. Yeah, okay, I want to make sure that we give the numbers to all of them, because Robin started that trend that was actually the right thing to do. So I want to make sure that we give all the numbers for the interviews that we've mentioned here. So, Shay Hawkins, the interview that you just heard that was episode three eighty two. The CAVS Media Day episode this episode three seventy eight. The Carol raw interview is episode three seventy six. The Ohio Secretary of State Frank leroe'se interview is episode three sixty four. The Crazy Bone interview is episode three sixty and this one which one was the the office one, Robin, because that's way up never mind, I see it. The office interviews were episode three forty five. So make sure y'all go and check those out in their entirety, and real quick, we have time for one more. I'm gonna throw an audible real quick, and give a shout out to an interview that we just did with Sonny Johnson from Sirius XM Patriot, host of Sonny's Corner. That was a great interview. Really appreciated her stopping my kicking it with us. I've been on her show, so it was fun to have her on ours. So we're gonna go to that right now. So you have Sunny's Corner. When did Sunny's Corner start? How long have you been doing it? I think we're getting ready to start our fifth year Sunny's Corner. So we just got renewed again, so we'll still be on Serious X and Patriot, and I know that there's a lot of white Republicans and conservatives that hate that fact, but yeah, we just got picked up for renewed, so this will be our fifth year doing Sunny's Corner. Well, congratulations on your renewal. That's that's a big deal. That's very important for the culture. For people who haven't heard. Tell people a little bit about Sonny's Corner. What what's the experience that they would have when they listened to the show. It is It is black conservatism. We stick to that every single topic, every single week. Revolves around something having to do with bringing conservatism to Black America. So each of every premise, every idea, every principle that we talk about can be equally applied to any community. So it's not separatists in nature, but it is specifically targeted towards the Black community because I think that there has been such neglect coming from the right towards Black America that it needs it needs focus, it needs attention, it needs constant, constant nurturing. And you have all of these groups that raise all of this money talking about doing all black outreach, but they can't even consistently stay on one topic. So every single week you're gonna get something related to attached to black culture, to black history, to Black faith, or to Black communities, and you're going to get a chance to hear from just regular black people. Right. So you know, everybody in our arena is always interested in titles and kind of what spot this person is in, or you know what I'm saying, who they are attached to, And on Sunday's Corner, I make it a lot more about simply what they know, how they're able to handle conversation, the added knowledge they bring to a specific subject that I might not know about, and I let them expouse upon it. So, especially when it comes to black men, I have this thing where everybody in our culture today they want to speak for black men on behalf of black men in the name of black men, but very few people want to let black men speak for themselves. So it's a real big honor and a very big part of what I do on Sunny's Corner, and just I'll get into mic turned it over to black men and letting them start the conversation wherever they want, on any topic they want, and we just chop it up from there. So that's it's been a real blessing to do that for the last five years. We're talking with Sonny Johnston, who is the host of Sonny's Corner on Serious x M. Patriot Dante go ahead, So, Sonny, I'm glad you brought that up because it was refreshing to find you on Twitter the way I found you. And so if you could do just to start off, can you explain to our listeners what is black conservatism and how you define it and how you preach it compared to what the normal person who may not follow politics or who may and who may not be as familiar with the culture what they would concern with what they would considered republicanism or conservatism. That would come from different people, depending on that would be a different answer depending on who you ask. Right, So, if you asked black progressive what is a Black conservative, they would tell you, you know, from their perspective of what they have been presented, they would say, you know, like the coon or the sellout or the self hater. You know what I'm saying, all them specific the Uncle Tom's, all them specific names that they throw out towards a specific brand of black faces that are on the right. Or if you were talking to white conservatives and white Republicans, it would kind of be the nineteen sixties revamp of the Republican Party where they kind of created this ethos of conservatism based around Russia, low taxation, and American patriotism. You know, did are what we're talking about in terms of black conservatism, are those steadfast lessons that have been passed through Black America that is genuinely uniquely specific to Black America, going through Frederick Douglass, through Booker T. Washington, through Carter Woodson all the way up through Malcolm X and what I believe we are currently seeing in a in a renaissance as far as Black America, going back towards that that legacy conservatism that has withheld us so long the entire time we have been in this country. So it's just basic principles of the If you if you put the three to the top three together principle wise, you would say that the first is the idea of the individual. Uh, you want to make sure or that you are taking care of yourself first and foremost. You are taking care of your own mental health, your own physical health, your own economic health, your own marriage, your own kids, your own household, your immediate family out that kind of that whole radius encompasses your individual self, and you want to make sure those things are taking care of first and foremost. As you start to accomplish that and to become resolute in those areas, then you want to become a steward in your community. And you go to the second part of conservatism, which is the republic, and that means the government closest to the people should have the most power over the people, and in gaps where you don't want government interference, the people should step up. So that is when we become stewards in our community, we become coaches, we become mentors, and we start to participate in the political process, especially at the local level, because most of the things that we complain about in terms of items, especially in Black America, that are systemically racist, are put into place at the local level. So if you go from the individual to the local level, I think we'll start seeing a lot more effectual change, and then eventually we'll get to that third level, which is the constitution, and we can start looking at things that our federal government is doing, the corruption that has kept coming to America institutions, and maybe some of the abuses that have been you have been wielded in the area of foreign policy. So, Sonny, let me ask you what's been You've been doing the show for five years, You've been out in the public, Guye even longer than that. What's the response. What's the typical response that you get from a mainstream traditional conservatives when they are introduced to your brand? Well, it's split because you have there is a section of white Republicans, conservative grassroots that are very interested in our conversations. Right. If that wasn't the case, then I wouldn't still be here, right. There has to be some kind of audience that is receptive to hearing and to learning and to absorbing different thoughts. But for the rank and file, and especially those that are in the leadership position, they wholeheartedly reject any kind of debate towards the colorblind narrative that they have been pressed on for decades now that has continuously caused them to lose the black vote by ninety percent for over sixty seventy eighty years now. So they are not very receptive to having a debate outside of their assigned parameters. And I have found it an absolutely joy to blow up every single barrier that they put in front of me. All right, all right, thank you so much for everybody that's been listening to the show with us this year, Robin, send a message to the people. Last one for twenty twenty three. Yeah, so Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and just remember to for the next year, you know, appreciate what you've got, hustle hard for what you want, stay humble and spread love. Dote. What's the message for twenty twenty four? Stay out of trouble. Sometimes you need to keep sometimes saying less is more. And before you decide to make a comment on race or gender or any of that's those social you know, buzzwords that can get you in trouble. Just think about it for a second. Press pause in your mind before you tweet or before you say anything, so you don't get in trouble getting called a racist or a bigote or anything like that. And if you need some and if you need some guidance, make sure you listen to this show. We will definitely help you out. So my last word twenty twenty three is just make sure first of all that you stay safe. There's a lot of things going on out here. You know, a lot of people dealing with a lot of stuff. We've all been through a lot over these last few years. So just stay safe, man, and just stay positive, man, and keep God first and everything you do. I think a lot of times, and especially in this world today, we're all looking for like there's so many people that are looking for other things to fill the void in their life instead of turning to the only thing that can fill it, which is God. You know what I mean. So just you know, put God first, Put God at the center of everything you do, and that that's the thing that that gives you purpose and gives you perspective, because once you lose that, man, that's when things start to go haywires. So stay safe, keep God first, keep a positive attitude. So we thank you so much for everybody that has been a part of this journey with us this year and every year. Thank you so much to all of our guests that we've had this year and last year and the year before that and all of that as well. We appreciate it so much. All Right, everybody, take care. We will see you in twenty twenty four. This has been a presentation of the FCB podcast Network, where Real Talk Lives. Visit us online at fcbpodcasts dot com.
