This is the FCB Podcast Network. This is The l Laws Extra. Welcome to the Outlaws Extra. This is Darvey O to Kingponmorrow. Don't forget too Like us on Facebook at facebook dot com, slash the Outlaws Radio. Follow us on Twitter or x and Instagram at the Outlaws on Radio. We have a very special interview with Kyahage County Prosecutor Michael O'Malley. We touched on a lot of issues. We touched on the issues concerning his re election campaign. We touched on the issues of juvenile bindovers, which has become a controversial issue in some circles. And we also addressed the elephant in the room, which is the issues that Samario Rice has been raising concerning the Tamir Rice case and why that hasn't been reopened. I asked him that directly, and he gave a direct answer, and so you'll hear that in just a little bit. So for those of you who are familiar, you know how this goes. We're going to take a break now and then when we come back, we'll go to the interview and it's entirety, So stay tuned. You're listening to the Outlaws Extra. Fuckome true say up, Welcome back, Welcome back. Make sure you subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcast. And if you listen to the show on Apple, please make sure you leave us a five star review and a comment is very important for the algorithm and for those of you who have already done so, thank you, oh so very much. And now let's get to our interview with Kyle County Prosecutor Michael Malley. All Right, we have a very special guest on the show today. He's been on this show before. He's in the middle of a very important race for re election, so I appreciate him taking the time to stop by and talk to us again. Kuyahoga County Prosecutor Michael O'Malley, welcome back. How you doing, star good. I'm doing well. It's a pleasure to be here. All right. I appreciate it. Man. So we're gonna we have a lot of a lot of topics that we're gonna hit and we'll get to the to the elephant in the room in a little bit. But first, for people who may not be familiar with Michael Maalley the person, let's talk a little bit about your upbringing, where you're from, how you got started all that good stuff. Sure, you know. I was born in the Old Brooklyn area. I was the youngest of eleven children. Grew up My dad was a plaster. My mom was a stay at home mom. Grew up in a three bedroom house, one bathroom, no basement, you know, born in sixty three, born a deacont this hospital. So really, I was born in my neighborhood. Grew up in the Old Brooklyn, Brooklyn area, and graduated from Brooklyn High School in nineteen eighty one. When I was a young man, I got a job down at Cleveland Municipal Court. In nineteen eighty six, I was still in college. I went to night school to finish up my undergrad and then I continue to go to night school at Cleveland State University College of Law, and I graduated from that law school in nineteen ninety two, having completed my entire course work during their at their night program while I was working in the day. And so when did you so, when did you become a counselor? Well, you know, after I graduated from law school, I was an assistant law director and I opened a private law practice for a number of years beginning in about ninety four, and then I became a Cleveland City councilman in nineteen ninety nine, and I was represented the area in which I grew up. I represented the Old Brooklyn area until two thousand and five. So talk a little bit about what that experience was like being a city councilman, having to deal with a lot of the issues that your residents are dealing with and getting all the feedback. Anything goes wrong, they come to the councilman. So talk a little bit about what that experience was like. Sure it was you know, you hit it on the head. You know, as the elected councilman in the city of Cleveland, you are the person who was on front street for every issue that goes on in your ward. And so whether it's public safety, which was certainly always the highest priority, but uh so, so anytime there would be a rash of crimes, whether they were car breakings or burglaries, or an occasional shooting or god forbid, one of the one of the homicides we had to endure. You know, the residents looked you as to the person who had to work with police to make sure that these issues were resolved as well as the person whose voice was going to calm the neighborhoods and and and give people the confidence that their neighborhood in their ward was was safe. And you know, public safety was number one issue with with the residents along with quality schools. So they were like hand in hand in my in my ward that you know, people wanted both. They wanted public safety, they wanted to be able to walk down the streets safely, they wanted to be able to go get gased without getting carjacked. But they also wanted a good educational opportunities for their children. And so do you think that some of that experience that you had as a counselman that that has also influenced you in the job that you're that you're in right now as prosecutor. Absolutely. You know, what we would often see in those days is we would see, you know, certain individuals or an individual from a particular area who quite frankly, it was like a crime driver, the person that was causing much of the damage in a particular area. So, uh, I did you know you get to understand how a small group of people or an individual can do a whole lot of damage in a particular area of your ward. And so it's certainly and you know, when those events would happen, the first thing that would the residents would call and complain about is, you know, why is this individual out? He was just arrested on this charge. Why is he out? And so it really drove home the fact that first of all, people are aware of what's going on and they were looking for answers because again coming back to one of the main issues forever resident, you know, public safety and what is your counselman are you doing about it to keep us safe? All right, we're talking with Kyo County Prosecutor Michael O'Malley, and so now we fast forward. You've been, you've been a counselman, and now we fast forward to your decision to run the prosecutor. What what made you make that decision? Why did you want to become the prosecutor? Well, I had been in the prosecutor's office approximately at that point, about six six seven years, and you know, a new prosecutor had come in, Prosecutor Tim mcgint, and you know his style was significantly different from his predecessors, and you know, at some point I just decided that it was probably best for me, uh to look for a new position, and I left the office and I did that. I was away for the office for seven years, but it became clear to me that there was a great deal of dissatisfaction during prosecutor Prosecutor mcginney's tenure, and so at some point, you know it, the thought crossed my mind is that if I don't run against him mcguin, you know, probably no one will. And I didn't think his you know, leadership style perhaps was in the best interests of the county as well as the employees in that office, who I had a great deal of respect for. You run, you run against Tim Againscy, you win. And now you're the prosecutor. And let's talk a little bit about some of the initiatives that you've done in the office. I think a lot of people aren't familiar with some of the things that you've done, like, you know, some of the self defense things and all that. Can talk a little bit about some of the initiatives that you've put in place in the office since you've become prosecutor. Sure, but let's start off back in twenty nineteen about but really it started back when I took office in twenty seventeen. I had been approached by some ministers from United Pastors Mission, and they had a dream and a desire to begin an intervention center for juveniles, which is in effect a diversion center, but digs in deeper. It gets it looks at juveniles who are committing crimes, who are entering the system, and it gives them a whole battery of tests. You know, do they have any mental health issues, are there any learning disabilities? You know, what's going on in their home, And it begins to do a deep dive into the juveniles who are before the court in an attempt to get them on the right path in life before they commit more serious crimes. So, working with the pastors as well as others, we got the funding, Working with the court judges, we all approach the county council and we got funding to open a juvenile intervention center in Cuyahoga County, the first of its kind in our county and something of which I'm quite proud. And you know last year's numbers, for instance, you know, we we annually get about three thousand juvenile cases per year that come down to my office and my staff has to deal with from local police agencies, and most of the individuals whose cases are coming down, I think it's like ninety eight percent gets screened either initially or at the end they will get screened, but they're all being screened in the intervention center, and roughly approximately one third of those three thousand cases are then diverted where criminal complaints are not filed, where juveniles are put into programs to get them on the right path in life, to try to assist them in becoming successful, and to keep them out of the criminal justice system. Now, so that's in about twenty nineteen, I believe that debt was initially opened. And then one of the other accomplishments of which I'm proud of us is working with the county Council on creating its first the first ever adult diversion center, and the adult Diversion Center allows individuals, family members, loved ones, friends to drop off in individuals who's undergoing a mental health crisis, who's undergoing substance abuse issues in our diversion center, which is located on East fifty fifth not far from Saint Clair, and it allows family members and like I said, friends to get people there to get them back into a healthy condition. And the other issue is that it allows police agencies to also bring individuals to the diversion center instead of the county jail. So if you're arrested on a low level, nonviolent charge, police agencies have the ability to instead of bringing you to the county jail, they can take you directly to the Diversion Center where you're cases will be handled as a diversion case and again you will get the needed treatment to get you healthy and without a criminal case being fould And you know the goal of that is to get people out of this cycle of arrest, detainment, released, arrest, and you know that whole cycle that we see oftentimes with people who are undergoing mental health or substance abuse issues, where it's just that continuing cycling through the criminal justice system. The goal of Diversion Center is to get those people healthy and to keep them out of the criminal justice system. So that was a big development as well. We're talking about Kyahoga County Prosecutor Michael O'Malley and another initiative that I'm aware of that many people may not be is the Self Defense Committee. Talk a little bit about what that is and how that works. Sure, Well, you know what, there was a change in state loss several years ago, and they're not effective. That law change is that there is a big hurdle that when an individual is claiming self defense that the state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they weren't acting in self defense for us to go forward with whatever actions that may have occurred. So that makes a very large hurdle. So if people make that argument, the state has a, like I said, a big hurdle to overcome. And so as a result of that state law change, we have initiated a committee within our office where our grand jury prosecutors or our general Felony or major trial prosecutors upstairs. If a claim is made after indictment, say by a defense attorney or a defendant, that they were acting in self defense, those cases, through either of those routes can come before the Self Defense Committee and we'll review the case. We take input from the defendant is to understand what their position is, and then we will make a decision as to whether that case should move forward based on the self defense claim. And there's also something called the conviction Integrity Unit that you oversee as well. Talk a little bit about what that is. Sure, you know, we have had a conviction integrity units since I started. When I came into office, we had it, and we changed it, We tweaked it a bit, and we put a citizen advisory panline just to review the cases through the legal processes. And let me just tell you about the success and then I'll tell you about the advisory board. But the successes of our Conviction Integrity Unit, we have a rate of success fifteen times higher than that of the OHIO since Project, so our rate of relief is fifteen times greater. So what that means is that for the complaints that we have filed that perhaps somebody's conviction was improper, your odds are fifteen times greater to have some type of success by filing with the County Conviction Integrity Unit as opposed to just filing a a application with the Iowaness. Since Project and so we had a Conviction Integrative Review Board. What we've learned is that during the course of the last five or six years is that defense attorneys would then begin to try to subpoena and get the personal discussions of our integrity Review member board, and that became a difficult hurdle. So at this present point, we are going forward without the Conviction Integrity Review Board and we're just doing it internally just to avoid the litigation that we were facing because we had non employees reviewing cases and we had criminal defense attorneys who were trying to subpoena their personal correspondence between the board members, and that just we couldn't We couldn't have that because we're not allowed because they are not counting employs, we are not allowed to defend them, and it just created an untenable situation where they would become involved in litigations personally and we don't have the ability to defend them. So now and so just to be clear, so now you guys are handling that internally. Well, that's how we had actually started it. It was done prior to my arrival. There was a Conviction Integrity Review Board that didn't have this outside board. I put it in there when I became prosecutor. We changed our policy. And you know things in life, you try to do something a little bit different, you find out it's it can't work or it won't work or didn't work, and then you you know, you amend your process accordingly, and that's what happened with the Conviction Integrity Review Board. But I'm pleased to announce it was in the last several months there was another conviction that was overturned by the board in its new format, which is going back to the all ways of it. We continue to have many successes, and I'm proud of the work of the Conviction Integrity Review Committee. We're talking with County Prosecutor Michael Mallley a couple other things that I want to touch on before we get to the other issue. I think there's one thing that kind of stands out to me, and I know it should stand out to people who pay attention to these issues, is the corruption investigation of the City East Cleveland's police department and the indictment of multiple East Cleveland police officers. That's something that you don't see very often across the country. We've had nationwide discussions based on that. Talk a little bit about well, I'm not going to ask you about the specific cases because I know many of them are pending and there's a lot of things we can't talk about, but talk in general about your philosophy on applying the law equally to everyone. Sure, you know, the East Cleveland cases. You know what my job is too fairly and im partially enforce the laws of the state of Ohio and to seek justice for victims of crime, and to try to make sure that any individuals before me, you know, are treated fairly, that their rights are certainly are guaranteed, and that we work with individuals and work with defense attorneys to make sure that we act within the boundaries of the criminal rules, that we certainly treat people with respect. Everybody coming into the system, you know, is presumed innocent, and you know that's that's where we are as in office. And so, uh, the East Cleveland cases came to us uh uh, the FBI, you know, after consulting with the US Attorney's Office. The US Attorney's Office, for whatever reason, did not feel these Cleveland cases were viable in federal court, or they just chose not to go forward with them. But in any event, the FBI brought over videos of incidents and evidence of what they believed to be criminal activity within the police department and had my staff and I review it, and you know, we were outraged by the videos that we were seeing, and so a decision was quickly made that we would prosecute those cases on behalf of the individuals who we believe were victims of crimed by the officers. So it didn't take long. We worked with the FBI and some of our investigators. We put the cases together, and we presented them to a grand jury, and then it at the conclusion of it, eighteen current or former East Cleveland police officers were indicted for a variety of charges. And obviously, you know, that made national news because first the sheer number of officers that were indicted and the fact that, you know, let's face it, that they were indicted at all. So, you know, and I think one of the things that I've seen as I've talked to you and kind of gotten to know and observe is the fact that it appears to me that your goal is to to follow the law evenly and impartially. So just talk a little bit about about your philosophy as a prosecutor. Sure, you know, I go into every issue with a very open mind, and you know, but one thing we can have is people breaking the law, and especially people in positions of authority, breaking the law and doing harm to people. And so you know, I take maybe it goes back to my days as accountsman, but I understand the damage that violent crime has on citizens, and so my philosophy is certainly for low level issues to try to get people into rehabilitation programs, whether they're separate from substance abuse or mental health issues, to get them on the right track so they don't continue to continue to cycle through the system. The situation with these even cases, it was a whole different level because you have people in positions of authority who are law enforcement officers who were supposed to serve and protect that community. Quite frankly, they were committing criminal acts against the committee, ian against the community. And we saw it, you know, through the repeated videos that came up during the investigation, is that you would see the people who should be protecting people actually committing violent acts against them, whether it was driving into North car or the various other things we had observed, you know, stomping on their heads, stomping on their throat, just tasing people who were handcuffed, just a whole variety of just isolent acts committed towards people that should be being protected, not abused. And so that decision, you know, like I said, was quite easy once we saw the videos is that this needs to stop and we are the people that need to stop it. And that's what we did. We're talking with Kyo County Prosecutor Michael O'Malley and let's let's get to the elephant in the room, so to speak. This has been an issue. It's been an issue on the campaign trail. There's two things in particular, and we'll dress we'll dress them individually. Of course, there's been a lot of talk about bindovers, about juvenile bindovers and criticizing you for the bindovers of juveniles. First, before we get into what these what many of these bindovers are like, what they're accused of. Tell people who may not be familiar is of what is the juvenile binder. Well, a bind over is a serious case in which the juvenile, based upon his actions, is hearing is held in the juvenile court and they determine whether this individual is amenable to rehabilitation in the juvenile court system. So basically, these are serious offenses like ag murder, murder, aggrator robbery, very serious offenses that because of the nature of the crime or the nature of the juvenile's history, that a compilation of those events has required that the individual be transferred over to adult court because he probably had prior attempts to be rehabilitated in the juvenile system and has not. Is not meant that that desired outcome, or that his crime is just so terrible, perhaps so violent, that the only really he's not immunable to the juvenile court system, and he then his case is therefore transferred to the adult system. Okay, And so with that there are mandatory and discretionary mind overs. Correct. Yeah, Well, any crime committed by a fourteen year fifteen year old, including a murder, those who are all discretionary. And let me just say this, it is a rare, rare, rare occursion for a fourteen year old to be bound over and quite frankly as well as a fifteen year old, but especially a fourteen year old. So any case against a fourteen year or fifteen year old would be discretionary. But however, there are times we've had in the past. For instance, I believe last year and I think it was the city of Maple Heights, we had a fifteen year old who executed two people, you know, from the back seat of akari. He was sitting in the backseat and shot them both in the head. And you know, that was a classic example of a discretionary bindover. Terrible crime had two homicide victims, and I believe that case was, in fact, because of the nature of the crime and his priors, he was, you know, then a discretionary bound bindover to the adult court system. So that's discretionary. Mandatory bindovers are generally cases involving sixteen and seventeen year olds who if it's an ag murder, murder, attempted murder, those would all be classified as mandatory. So anyone, whether you had the gun or you didn't have the gun, if you have committed or participated in committing an aggravated murder murder, you would be a mandatory bindover. Discretionary bindovers, Well, let me continue on. There's also category two offenses that would be a mandatory offense only if you have the gun. In an aggravated robbery, aggravated burglary, kidnapping situation, just the gunman would be mandatory and the others would. If you're sixteen and seventeen, so you are the participate in a robbery, a aggravated burglary, a kidnapping, if you're not the gunman, you didn't have the gun. That would in fact be a discretionary even if you're sixteen or seventeen. So really mandatory bindovers are exclusively generally people who are older sixteen and seventeen have committed a horrible crime, like I said, including ag murder, murder or was the gunman in the robbery, the flonies assault where somebody shot, those type of situations. Okay, so we hear a lot about the number of bindovers, but we don't hear often about what they're actually accused of. So in the number of of of buying overs, juvenile buyingovers, ballpark figure, how many of those do you think or number of percentage are accused of a violent crime? All of them? Wow, If if you're if you're somebody who steals cars or breaks into garages, you're not bound over. It's the individuals who are using guns to commit murder, attempted murder, shoots people, you know, which would be a flonious assault, or is committing these multiple agg robberies, uh, you know, the carjackings, the home invasions, the store robberies. So the only people, and it's a very small amount, who are being bound over are those who are using guns against our community. So and I think it's well, I think that's important to point out, so it's not just a blanket every juvenile in these situations get. So there are looking at individual cases in the situations and things like that and making decisions from there. Correct. So you know what, It's interesting you asked that question as well, because I believe there's hundreds of cases each year, and we're actually gathering that number, will be gathering that number of the next few days. But there is literally hundreds of situations in individuals per year that could lead to a bind over. And so it's only a fraction of the individuals who could be bound over are being bound over right, right, And the ones that are some of those, as you mentioned, some of those are mandatory, right, I would say, I think last year's number, I would say eighty percent of them are mandatory. So I think I think the way it worked out last year was like maybe fifty mandatory, thirteen discretionary. But of those discretionary, four had already had bindovers previous years, so you're really looking at about nine. You know. Well, that's another thing we'll see, is we'll see because these individuals, these small groups of individuals are doing so much damage, many of them will have bindovers because they got multiple cases. You know, they could have two, three, four, or five bind over cases pending at once because they've just involved in that much criminal activity. So you'll see it's oftentimes you'll see people with multiple bindovers pending because if their multiple crimes that they are you know, accused of committing. Wow, okay, so I'll be interested to see too. And I don't know if you have if you have this number or not, or you know, the office can get it later. Like how many of the juveniles that have been bound over do have you know, multiple cases or extensive record and things like things like that. I would have. It's quite a few, I would say, yes. I would say probably eighty to ninety percent have prior adjudications or cases pending. So you know, that's the thing we'll see is just so people realize, once you're bound over and you're convicted downtown, all of your future cases are mandatory. But you'll oftentimes see juveniles with multiple bindovers as a result of their actions. So basically, the bindover issue isn't as cut and dry as some people are trying to make it out to do. No, it's quite frankly, it's very complex, and literally you have to look at each case individually because there's so many variables, there are so many different issues that come up in each particular case and with each particular juvenile who's accused of committing the violent crime. So it's it's absolutely necessary that every case is looked at on its own and you make a determination based upon that individual and the facts before you. Attempting to have a blanket policy in this regard would be a very very misguided thing to do, Tom Makayahoga County Prosecutor Michael O'Malley. And the second thing that's been in the news recently is questions and issues regarding the Tamir Rice case and why that wasn't reopened and all those sorts of things. So let's start from the beginning now, if I recall correctly, the Tamurir Rice case was prior to you becoming County prosecuted correctly correct that case was presented to a grand jury. I think the the homicide occurred several years before I took office, but I think the case was presented to a grand jury maybe a year before I came into office. Okay, and so we know what happened, we know how that whole thing played out. So from your vantage point, in your perspective, why hasn't that case been reopened? Well, here's the issue as a prosecutor, and this has been my position since I was campaigning for the position eight years ago. As a prosecutor, you can't grand jury forum shop, and that has been my position. I'd explained that to Samary Rice, that if there's new evidence, then ethically we can represent the case to a grand jury, because you know, if that wasn't the standard, what you could have is prosecutors whose whole mindset is to indict individuals, presented a case to one brand jury, and if they don't get the desired outcome, they could wait till another grand jury's and paneled an attempt to present that case to another grand jury. And what you would really have is grand jury reforum shopping until you got the grand jury that you wanted that would do what you wanted. And so you know, ethically it's inappropriate to present the exact same case to multiple grand juries without new evidence, because in an effect is forum shopping. Additionally, It has been my policy, and it was my announced policy as I was running eight years ago that I myself would never handle police use of deadly force cases. So that has been my policy. I have followed it. So even if new evidence was found regarding the homicide to my rights, that I would then appoint a special prosecutor who would handle that case, just to avoid any appearance of conflict between myself and my office and the Cleveland Police Department. Position. For eight years, it hasn't changed, It hasn't waivered, nothing new has been added to it. So yeah, that's that's what it has always been. It's not hard to find. You can find newspaper articles, uh, from before my election or after my election where I say this consistently throughout is that we cannot represent cases without new evidence. And so talk a little bit about on in that regard, talk a little bit about how that would be problematic if you if the prosecutor's office were to begin to operate in that matter. You talked a little bit about grand jury form shopping expand on that. Yeah, just you know, the reality is is that we handle thousands and thousands of cases per year, and there is an expectation that you will respect the vote of the grand jury that heard the case, reviewed the evidence, and came to whatever decision they may have came came to, whether that was an indictment or a nobill So, like I said, if if every time we didn't get the result we wanted in a grand jury, we went to another grand jury. And you know, at any given time, we have approximately three grand jury panels going at once. If we went from one grand jury to another grand jury to get the desired result, it would be what I would consider highly unethical conduct. And so you know, the presentment of the Tamir Rice case to the grand jury happened under my predecessor. When I was campaigning, I certainly argued for all those grand jury transcripts to be made public. And you know, that was what my position was, and it hasn't changed. And so, yeah, everything has been consistent over the last eight years. And you know, so that's that's where it's been and that's where it remains. Right. And also, so there's some sort of controversy I guess over a meeting or a conversation of some sort that you had with Samari or Rice. She's alleging that there was an ethical violation because you talked to her without her turning present. Talk a little bit about what happened there. You know, my recollection is, I believe I met with Samaria sometime in the last seven years, but I certainly have talked to her a number of times on the phone as well, and you know, she continues and was continuing to reach out with me, and at some point, I believe after our first meeting, I told her that any future meetings it would be between her and I. You know, what people need to understand is that there is no case pending between Samaria Rice in Kaihaga County, or Samaria Rice is not being charged with any crimes in Kylega County. So those type of situations would require communications between her with her to be between her attorney. But you know, right now, she's a citizen who lost her son to a homicide, and she certainly is entitled to call me or talk to me orf she wants to meet with me, but there's certainly no requirement that it be done with an attorney. And like I said, my recollection is I had met with miss Rice priests previously. I had numerous correspondence with her attorney in New York. I explained to him and outlined to him the position I had regarding the Rice case, which has been consistent throughout the last eight years. And again I am certainly even today willing to meet with miss Rice so she can express her viewpoints. But in the end, you know, my policy and what is ethically permissible will remain the same. I cannot represent the Tamir Rice case ten years after the fact for two reasons. There's no new evidence that they've come up with. In second of all, if there was new evidence, I would have a special prosecutor appointed to handle it, consistent with my policy. M all right, we're talking with Ky County Prosecutor Michael Omalley. And as we begin to wind down here, I'm always I asked this question a lot, particularly of elected officials, because I'm always just just kind of fascinating to see the process and to see all the stuff that you all have to deal with as you're in the middle of a you know, a heated you know, re election campaign, and all of these slings and arrows and attacks are being thrown at you, you know, on a personal level, how do you how do you deal with that? How do you handle all of the crap that you have to deal with. How do you how do you process it? Well, you know, the first issue is I got to go to work everyday, so you know what, you got to try to just put it in the back and you got to go to work every day and focus on the task before you. And then you know what, when I'm done with work, I focus on the the you know, the reelection issue, and you know it, personal attacks are never easy to swallow. You know, I had somebody make comments the day my mom passed away, you know, doubting whether she was alive or dead, which I just found to be outrageous. But you know, this is the type of venom that is being put forth by people within the community who have an agenda. And you know, I just try to put all the negativity behind me. Look positive. I know the good work that the office does. I've got a great staff who does great work. I'm proud of the work we do. We work hard with our partners trying to keep the community safe. You know, my other sections of the office, it's my civil litigation, my child support, my children's family services unit, my tax for closure unit. You know, they just come to work every day. They work hard on behalf of the people of the county. But you know, all of this, the negative buzz that you'll occasionally hear from some a very few, a small group of individuals. You know, you just got to put it outside and and and focus on the task and continue to move forward. All right. Let everybody know if they want to get more information about the campaign, if they want to get in contact with the office Vollue on social media, all that good stuff, how can they reach out to you? Sure? You know, we have a campaign page, we have an Instagram or we have a Facebook Michael o'mellley public figure out there. So there's there's easily ways to get a hold of me. There's a campaign website. So yeah, you know, we are getting a great deal of support. It's urging. Uh, We're working hard. I anticipate, you know, will be extremely successful come March, and we'll continue to work towards doing a good job for the people of Kyhaga County, doing our best, people safe, to get people on the right path in life, and and and to bring justice to the families and victims of crime. All right, thank you so much, Prosecutor Maley for coming on this show. I really appreciate it. Yep, thank you, Dr. Much appreciated. One more time, thank you to Kyah County Prosecutor Michael Omley for coming on the show. We really appreciate it. We are out of here. We'll see you next time. This has been a presentation of the FCB podcast Network, where Real Talk lifts visitors online at FCB podcasts dot com. MHM
