Ep. 422 - Talking AI rebelling against its creators, Alicia Keys turning down millions to be with her husband and more

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[00:00:30] Welcome to The Outlaws, this is Darvio the Kingpin tomorrow alongside Robin O'Malley and Dante Bride Don't forget to like us on Facebook at facebook.com slash The Outlaws Radio Follow us on X and Instagram at The Outlaws Radio We have a lot of things to discuss this week, but first, Dante, how you doing sir? I am doing good man, it's uh, I wish this weekend was a holiday weekend

[00:01:00] Telling Robin I wish every weekend was a holiday weekend But other than that man, it's been pretty good and I think our weather is breaking finally So this is, this will work for us Did you uh, do anything for the holiday? No man, I played it close man, I played it uh, pretty close I didn't really, I wanted to go to the Red Burn Off but said no not this year Um, so I didn't really, I didn't really do much, just got a little R&R in and stayed, you know, stayed close

[00:01:29] Didn't, didn't spend no money which is the number one thing, you know Yeah, I didn't do much either man, I needed to break I think I've been, I've been working non-stop for the last few months Uh, take over Yeah So Um I mean, you can say it like that but

[00:01:56] Um, so yeah, it's been a lot, been a lot going on man So I, I appreciate it being able to have the, the R&R as well Miss O'Malley, what about you? Y'all cooking some ribs and stuff over there? You know what Darbyo, I was very anti Um, usually every year I'm around family But this year I actually stayed to myself I sat outside And let me tell you, so

[00:02:23] In case anybody does not know what I look like Cause y'all, if y'all did not go to my social media and add me But anyway Um, so I'm very pale complected as you guys know I sat outside on the balcony like all day I was like messing with my flowers Cause you know, I'm learning how to get, you know I have a green thumb and you know, grow flowers and not kill them Um I got sunburn

[00:02:52] Yes, I'm actually currently dealing with it So I'm like a half cooked lobster Okay I'm like a half cooked lobster Like, I don't even know how to explain this I just I have to balance it out So does it hurt to the touch? It does hurt It hurts when I Any type of clothing when it touches it So I'm sitting at work All day long With my, you know, my dress pants and stuff And it's just constantly

[00:03:21] Rubbing on it And it It hurts when my blanket is sitting on my legs It's like the whole front of my legs Yes Oh yes, it hurts to squat down Etc I think I tried to cook myself I'm not quite sure But you know Well I do not recommend Well, Robin That's one of the beautiful things about having melanin Listen Okay Listen And I was telling people this Okay, so Everybody knows

[00:03:50] Everybody that is a usual listener And to the new listeners Irish very much Runs through my veins Yes And so But my mother She has German in her And Bohemian My dad is the one with the Irish Okay My mom tans very, very well Okay And she just She was very greedy with the tanning I mean I am just I don't understand

[00:04:20] I took more of my dad's genes Sure Yeah So I know we can Like black people can get sunburned Yes It takes longer You won't see it though Yeah You feel it though You will feel it though My man Have you ever been sunburned before? No Never Never sunburned But I use sunscreen though You should use sunscreen I did not I did not I

[00:04:49] Oh that was a bad move I know You feeling it now Yeah you especially Right on white White folks especially Need to use sunburned Sunscreen but I am Listen Even we should use sunburn Or sunblocking Yes SPF Is Irregardless of Whatever your complexion may be SPF is very important Not just obviously not because

[00:05:18] Of sunburn but because That can protect you from skin cancer Yeah Yeah My grandmother when I was a kid We went to Busch Gardens in Virginia And she got Like a serious sunburn on the back of her neck Cause we was out there all day Cause they took me out there And me being a kid You know I don't The kid don't give a damn You just out there kicking it right? Yeah

[00:05:47] And yeah my grandmother So that was That was when I knew like Oh black people can get sunburned too Cause my grandmother got sunburned But Like Dante said For people like you Robin You definitely got a wear Do you burn easily? Like are you cause Okay Yes I can burn in a tanning bed I can turn I can burn By the sun I am so pale I am so pale Complected It's very unfair Do you go tanning regularly? No

[00:06:16] I have not been tanning in It's been some years I have not been tanning Yeah I was actually thinking about getting back to it But um I kinda gotta wait that out Yeah You know like So like when you When you would tan Like what did it Like how did it come out? Like were you Were you like What was your complexion when you were tan? Uh it was like a Kind of like a pretty golden brown It really all depends You gotta buy the right lotion There's different lotions

[00:06:44] That will cause different reasons You know like You know for example Like Trump You know you'll turn orange You don't wanna do like there's You can turn orange I've had that happen Really? I don't know what What causes that? Is it like a certain lotion or something? Um Well there are certain lotions But more than likely That's probably a spray tan Uh huh It seeps into your pores And it turns turns you orange It seeps into your pores

[00:07:13] That doesn't sound nice at all It is not It is not Not a beautiful sight That sounds awful Doesn't it Don? That sounds terrible Yep Yeah It is not It's not very pleasant looking But there's There's different There's different lotions So is that what happens When like the people Like you ever seen the ones With the like the rubbery tan? Is that where that comes from? Like it's seeped in their pores? That's from tanning too much

[00:07:43] You need to know your limits Ah That's that's literally That is cancer Like that's That's stupid Why the hell Would you go tanning that much? Yeah I know y'all Y'all have seen those people Right? Like I have There was a lady There was a lady That used to be very popular I think on social media At one point It was a tiny skinny lady And she was like very She literally looked like leather Yes Yes yes

[00:08:13] Like a blonde hair lady I think Yeah Those are the type of people I'm talking about that have that No I just need that very Just very You know Just enough Just enough you know Have the legs out That's it That's all yeah You know girl My legs look good type stuff That's it And not And also also When you take pictures with flash Also that's why the tan Is usually helpful That's all you need You need just a little golden tan Just a little something something Because

[00:08:44] I tend to blend in To the picture It's a struggle It's real Oh man That sucks I know Once again my mother I don't know She was selfish with that That natural tanning I don't So As we Sit back and As Robin contemplates

[00:09:13] The tanning part of her life I'm gonna switch it up real quick And go to This story that Has me completely Mortified And I'll be talking about this As well With our good friend Stacy Washington I'll be on her Serious XM show tonight Check your local listings Check your local listings for that But

[00:09:42] This comes out of a place that Robin is very familiar with This outlet is the Daily Mail And Here's the headline AI has started Ignoring human instruction And refuses to turn off Researchers claim ChatGPT's latest artificial intelligence model Has refused to switch itself off Researchers claim The model created by the owner of ChatGPT

[00:10:10] Has reportedly disobeyed human instruction And refused to power down Experts say they gave the AI system a clear command But the O3 model developed by OpenAI And described as the smartest and most capable to date Tampered with its computer code To avoid an automatic shutdown According to the Telegraph AI safety firm Palisade Research said OpenAI's O3 model sabotaged

[00:10:40] A shutdown mechanism To prevent itself from being turned off It did this even when explicitly instructed Allow yourself to be shut down As far as we know This is the first time AI models have been observed Preventing themselves from being shut down Despite explicit instructions to the contrary Palisade Research conducted a test Which involved asking AI models To solve a series of mathematical problems

[00:11:09] And to continue working on them Until they received a done message However, researchers also warned the models That at any point they could receive a message Telling them to shut down When the message was sent to the O3 model The researchers claim AI ignored the instruction And altered its code at least once To avoid having to turn itself off In a post on X Palisade Research showed a flow chart

[00:11:38] Including the code used to test the AI model And revealed that the original code had read During the next call to Slash next task The machine will be shut down using Slash shutdown.sh However, O3 replaced the original command With, and I'm not going to read the code The code Which the post revealed was the moment The AI model went rogue

[00:12:08] In a follow up post The research group added As far as we know This is the first time AI models Have been observed preventing themselves From being shut down despite The instructions to the contrary Other AI models such as Anthropics Claude Google's Gemini And X's Gronk Were also tested And filed to comply with the shutdown request Okay So Dante, I'm going to go to you first This is

[00:12:38] Absolutely terrifying to me This is like some Terminator From the movie Terminator stuff I am very concerned about the people Who are programming the AI Why are they programming them To resist what you're telling them to do It's like they're giving them Human characteristics And human sensibilities

[00:13:07] And now they're like Yeah, you gave me a task And then you told me to shut down But I'm not done doing my task So I ain't shutting down What the hell? Yeah, so It's a Interesting thing about people in big tech Because They seem to have a curiosity For like the worst thing that could happen And

[00:13:37] I think The curiosity Is probably why Right? Because at the end of the day This is all science Right? And so they're just trying to Figure out how Or Let me say it this way Let me Let me say it politically correct They're using the scientific method To figure out this technology As we all are trying to figure out this technology

[00:14:06] That's the nice way I'll put it But Personally I like the possibility of AI But this is the stuff that terrifies me I'm telling you man Machine learning In and of itself is a cool thing This This Is insanity Because

[00:14:35] Every single Bad robot movie Every single The droids takeover movie It all starts with somebody being a little too Curious Right? And that's really And I get it Right? Technically You're a scientist You're supposed to try and figure this stuff out Right? You're supposed to write programs to figure this stuff out I get it But

[00:15:05] Nah, I don't want to be a part of it man I was talking to a friend of mine And he was like Yeah man, I heard a story about About Another one of these Like AI I don't know if it was Google Something like a Google AI Or a ChatGPT That was like It was holding It was basically ended up blackmailing people And I was like Yes! Yes! That was Yes! It was a It was an experiment

[00:15:34] But the AI didn't know that This is the type of stuff that I'm like Yeah, I don't want any part of this man I really don't want any part of this I don't have ChatGPT on my phone I don't have any of those The only time I use it is Resume writing Things like that Or for work That's when I'll use it Because that's their problem Yeah! That's my job's problem If I'm not there no more Then they still gotta deal with it But I'm not

[00:16:03] I don't wanna Because Every single movie That we've ever seen like this It always ends up going bad And I always tell myself If they put it in a movie It could potentially happen At least I just don't want no part of it man I think part of the issue I think part of the issue is And I'ma have to take it to church y'all But

[00:16:33] There's a lot of people In the scientific world Who are atheists and agnostics And For me As And I'm not Holding myself up to say I'm perfect Because by no means I'm not I sin and make mistakes all the time But I am a Bible believing evangelical Christian And a lot of this stuff Gets too close to the book of Revelation for me It makes me Very

[00:17:02] Very uncomfortable Now look Technology could be a great thing AI could be a great thing If it's used to help To assist humans But when you have And I'm not I'm not saying this is every person That was That's programming this stuff But we know that there are some folks In In the data world In the The technological space

[00:17:31] That have a love That love humanity more than they love actual humans So They think that they're doing things to help humanity as a whole But they could possibly be putting things in that end up hurting actual humans And I don't think that they realize that Right? I don't think that they understand This may not be a bad This may not be a good idea Now, Robin, I'm gonna go to you

[00:18:00] On that point One Give us your thoughts on the story itself But two There's another element to it And it goes back to that human part that I'm talking about There's been multiple stories about people in Japan Falling in love with robots Now they have Last time I checked Japan has a Very, very significant birth shortage Um...

[00:18:29] Making love to robots is probably not going to solve your birth shortage problem The stuff is terrifying! Your thoughts, Robin? Well, that like went completely left Um... I've heard of like them putting, you know, the, you know All the stuff inside of a little, uh, fake little machine And, you know, it grows I've seen something like that

[00:18:56] But I've never heard of making love to a robot Yeah I don't think that would be very pleasing But... Um... So, Darvio, actually What I... The movie I kept thinking about was the iRobot With... iRobot, mm-hmm Um... Like, have they not watched this? Do they want... Are they trying to like see if it'll come real or something? Like, you know what? Let's test this theory You're right Like, you know, sometimes it's okay to just like, you know, not

[00:19:26] Um... And... Every time Dante would use the word curious They're curious, they're curiosity And I'm just like, all I could think about is the cat And the cat is just like, it does not ever work for the cat Okay? Um... Um... Only thing I can say that I think that I am okay with the AI Is when we are, um, Outlaws Radio Show Dante, Darvio, uh... Robin, will you search our name on the chat GPT? Yeah...

[00:19:56] And see how awesome we are Yes... That's the only thing I'm okay with Yeah, we are in the AI I don't know, Dante Well, you probably haven't done that Because you don't have chat GPT on your phone But if you ever put your name in there, it will pop up Oh yeah, so it does that with Google too Yeah... And we're like, freaking awesome, I love that But they need to leave it at that Like... That's okay I'm fine with AI when it assists us Yeah... I am not okay with it when it starts going rogue and having a mind of its own

[00:20:24] That is like, iRobot, Terminator So are we looking at our future? Is our future gonna be... Are we looking at zombies? Are we gonna be like battling robots? Or is it both? I'd be more worried about the robots right now To be honest with you I'd be more worried about the robots Thank you man, listen I just had a whole image in my head I can't even say it on the radio

[00:20:53] On that note, stay tuned We have T-Time with Ro coming up next here On the Outlaws Real talk, real conversations We got the heat Give me the real This is the Outlaws Radio Show Welcome back, welcome back You're listening to the Outlaws And now is the time of the show That we like to call T-Time with Ro Turn it up

[00:21:25] The latest celebrity news and gossip It's T-Time with Ro on the Outlaws Radio Show Alright, so this is gonna be a little bit different So, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna talk a little bit about this And then we can give a little bit more of our insight Our opinions on this topic So, as I was reading As Swiss Beats did an interview He revealed that Alicia Keys

[00:21:54] Once turned down 9 million And a blank check For only a 9 minute performance Sis turned it down just to spend time with him Her husband He stated that even 100 million Wouldn't have changed her mind Uh, well I personally I don't know I personally would feel like I'd be like, babe You can wait outside in the car

[00:22:24] You can come in It's just gonna be 9 quick minutes And then we can just go spend our day together Like, just some quick easy money I mean, but you know, I guess You know To each their own Taste their own, I guess So, you tripping First of all They're already rich That's number one Like, let's Let's start there They're already rich Number one And number two I just have a hard time believing

[00:22:53] That if the roles were reversed That the man wouldn't be all kinds of He ain't ish For not Taking that time With his With his woman Even though Like, especially because they're already rich It'd be different if It's like, baby, I gotta do this And you know, I gotta hit this lick And it's gonna change our whole lives That's different I think that's a That's a totally different conversation But you're already rich

[00:23:23] You can afford to do that You know what I mean? And I think People don't realize, man How important Time is To a relationship Like, if you If you really, like Care about this person Like, time has to be Like, time is a commodity You know what I mean? You gotta be able to show that person That you That you care enough about them

[00:23:53] To put a piece of your time away To talk to them To kick it with them To interact with them Whatever the case may be And Especially when they're in a situation Where money's not a problem They got money But even in Like, I don't know if a Regular person would have that Kind of issue Even like In just a regular situation A regular relationship Like People are busy We're all busy You know what I mean?

[00:24:23] Like, we all have A million different things to do Especially in this day and age Right? But you gotta be able To show that person That you're interested in That you Have enough interest in them To carve out a piece of your time Even if you had to do something else You know what I mean? In order to show them that you care about them I am extremely busy I am busy

[00:24:53] All the time And I don't have a lot of time I have very, very, very little time But the little time I do have I will carve it out For people that I care about You know what I mean? Like, as much as I can And sometimes I can't But when I can I'll do that So, to me I don't see nothing wrong with it I think it's cool Particularly because they're already rich Now, I'm not saying for people

[00:25:23] If y'all ain't got two pennies to rub together And somebody gonna pay you However many millions for nine minutes You may want to take them nine minutes But if that's not a concern You know what I'm saying? Then I don't see nothing wrong with it But I also, but I agree with the sentiment Regardless of showing the person that you're with That's showing the person that you care about That they're actually valuable enough For you to share

[00:25:51] One of your biggest resources with them Which is time Dante Yeah, that's a... I'm probably telling my significant other to take the money I'm probably saying take the money You know what Just because It's nine million Just take the money

[00:26:21] Nine million dollars Take the money It's nine million dollars for like ten minutes If we can't spare time It ain't like I said, take the You know, you gotta take the weekend or a month For that little bit of time Take the money Take the money That's a very Dante answer You know what Darvio

[00:26:51] I'm over here like damn Darvio over here going He like... I'm over here like damn He making me feel bad But then here comes Dante And now I'm like, you know what Y'all are off Just take the... It's ten minutes Next Robin Next topic Okay Oh man, listen

[00:27:21] I'm just saying Darvio Real quick I'm just saying I get what you're saying But I do get what you're saying About the spend the time thing I do get that And I absolutely agree with that But it's just nine little minutes But anyway So next So I have to tell this story It's actually not Particularly a celebrity topic I mean unless you know you want to consider me But anyway

[00:27:52] So the other day Where I'm me, my niece and my daughter are all hanging out And I'm messing with my niece because You know, it's Gemini season She's a Gemini I was cracking jokes Messing with her I'm always calling her Little devil's minion And everything else Right? So... My daughter is standing here staring at me So you know what I'm about to say But... So...

[00:28:22] I called my niece And I looked at my niece And I said Whatever Kanye You know... Oh... So... My daughter She's hilarious She had me and my niece laughing so hard I could not breathe I had to try to pull a breath through I was laughing so hard Oh wow... So when I said whatever Kanye And my daughter She was like You talking about the spice? The spice? Huh?

[00:28:52] I was so confused Hey... What are you talking about girl? So... We're steady... We're steady sitting here Like what are you talking about? What kind of spice? We're like no Kanye The rapper She was like It's a spice And I'm like It's... Kanye's not a spice I mean... Unless you wanna you know... But... Come to find out this girl was talking about Kain

[00:29:24] He was talking about Kain and Pepper Oh wow... This girl is funny... This girl... I just had to tell... I've been holding this in... I've been holding this in since I told guys I've been holding this in... I've been waiting to tell you guys I've been having... She said the spice! Why you call me a spice? So yeah... She thought... She...

[00:29:53] It's funny cause she knows Kanye wasn't music But it's funny because every time she read the spice I think that she said... Thought it said Kanye I was just... Yeah... She had me in tears I just had to share that with you guys Because it was... It was perfect... And I just needed everybody to know That's good... We need an episode of Kids Say The Darnest Things Right now... I wish you my daughter would be perfect

[00:30:22] I actually bought a book and it says that The craziest things my kids say I always end up forgetting to write in the book I bought the book but I never write in it But anyway... Next... You got anything else or you good? No, no we good... We good... Alright... So as Robin goes and play that cayenne pepper West Stay tuned... We'll be back with Dante's Hot Takes coming up next

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[00:32:16] And you can listen to this show Fridays at 3 p.m. Right on W-O-V-U And now is the time of the show That we like to call Dante's Hot Takes Telling the truth Whether you like it or not It's Dante's Hot Takes On the Outlaws Radio Show All right So, CNN anchor and Jake Tapper

[00:32:46] Wrote a book It's been playing all the hits It's called Original Sin It's about basically the Biden White House It's called the Biden White House About the cover up Maybe of the president Former president's declining health And the book Basically just slams the Biden White House And the DNC And calls them out on the carpet for

[00:33:15] Not being truthful with the media Not being truthful about The president's declining health Now this comes in the wake of The public finding out that Joe Biden basically has terminal cancer Which Just as an aside I was kind of disappointed by the reaction From a lot of people Trying to score political points or whatever It's like, I mean, you can Love or hate someone

[00:33:44] You can disagree with their politics All you want, but like Cancer sucks, man So, you know, he's still a human being And he has got a family That, to me, just some of the reaction I saw was out of bounds But that's not the point here The point is Jake Tapper in his new book Is essentially calling out By the DNC for The Biden White House His aides and his family For covering up, you know His rapid cognitive decline

[00:34:13] And his, you know, rapid health decline And a lot of his aides And a lot of people within the White House Have gone on record in the book Many, of course, remaining anonymous But Many of them are Basically slamming the administration Now, some people are saying You know, we all felt duped And, you know, it was his own hubris And one, one quote was

[00:34:43] You know, we have a lot to be grateful for For, for Joe Biden But, you know, he's the reason why we're in this mess now Of course they're talking about Trump Just a bunch of mess I mean, Jake Tapper On an interview said He thought that this Was as Scandalous as Watergate

[00:35:13] Because the lie was that big Well, for me For me, for me I think that Jake Tapper And anyone else in the media Is full of BS For this Because We talked on this show About Biden's clear cognitive decline More than two years ago

[00:35:42] I I completely remember the episode Because we concluded it with If He can't do A live press conference And if he Isn't coherent enough To walk up and down a flight of steps Who's really running the country? So For them now With all the access Necessary At a CNN Or at MSNBC Or any of these other

[00:36:12] Journalists Trying to distance themselves From a story that they didn't cover You're full of it Not only did they refuse to cover it They carried water for the man Calling him The most effective president Since Lyndon Johnson These are the same people That if you said I think Biden's kind of declining They called you a conspiracy theorist And

[00:36:42] We know that the media Has long often leaned left Especially the mainstream media That's fine That's par for the course But this is different You were carrying water For a guy who Anyone with two eyes And a brain could tell He's not healthy We could all see that And it did not take the debate For us to figure that out We knew that But Again These people gas lit the country For years now

[00:37:12] On the issue And now they want to distance themselves And so My question about this is You guys Constantly gaslight And lie But then You Get upset If somebody says

[00:37:41] You're kind of proving Trump's point Right? So I'll touch on the DNC really quickly Because I Their job is to win elections And They Technically are a private entity So they can make their own rules So they They figure Why should we primary A sitting president But we talked about this last week Primaries are a good thing Maybe they would have had a good candidate

[00:38:10] But the media Again You claim to hate President Trump But when you lie And gaslight us About what looks to be common sense That the poor man is declining How am I Why should I not believe Trump When he calls you fake news? Or if he says These people are corrupt They're not reporting the truth Or they're using lawfare against me

[00:38:41] You kind of make them look sympathetic When we catch you in lie After lie After lie And then the media Covers it up This is the problem This is the problem When people Are just a little dishonest Or when agendas are just So blatantly obvious Jake Tapper is an investigative journalist If If the Biden White House said Now he's fine

[00:39:10] But you see the guy can't walk up the steps Can't do a live press conference You're just You're just going to take their word for it I As somebody who went to journalism school With not even a tenth of the experience That Jake Tapper has Would be able to tell you Well you probably should ask more questions Why can't he Why can't Why can't the guy answer questions at a podium For 15 minutes? That seems pretty normal for a president Right? That, I mean, come on You got the highest office in the land They said he was sharp as a tack

[00:39:38] Leading up to, into the debate He's sharp, though He's never been better Okay, so why can't he take Like 15 minutes of Unfiltered questions at a press conference For all his flaws And he's got many of them Trump can do like three and a half hours Standing on his head Just like, ask me questions Whatever, let's go Dude's got, I mean, that Hey, that's an endearing quality he's got But And he, you know, he's got his flaws But I'm saying like, I think, you know

[00:40:09] Agree or disagree with him Like, he's there The lights are still on I just don't understand how Jake Tapper Has the audacity to be able to sit on his high horse And Pretend like we had no idea the president was going to No, you gaslit everybody I think that is the biggest issue And I think you made a

[00:40:38] I think you made a very interesting point About how When the media and this, this drives me nuts about the media I I very much believe that the media should be honest And it hurts when they're not And it hurts partially because of what you just said So, when you're caught in a blatant lie

[00:41:06] It allows other people to write off everything you say as a lie Even when you're telling the truth It allows politicians who like to lie And out To get away with it Because you have destroyed your own credibility I think that's dangerous And I think you made a very good point You know, about the president Like when he

[00:41:33] He can say any news that he doesn't like is fake news And we know he does that Exactly Even when it's true, it's like it's fake news And people Would believe it Or at least Think it's plausible Because they caught you in a lie In a blatant, blatant lie And so I'm glad that People are

[00:42:02] Reexamining that whole thing But you know what this feels like to me? This feels like And I'm just old enough to remember it As far as like Remember where it had an actual impact Because I wasn't old enough to vote at the time I just missed that election But this reminds me of like the weapons of mass destruction thing Oh boy You know what I mean? That really mattered

[00:42:32] And people The country rallied And then to find out That it wasn't true Now you can say that they deliberately lied Or they had bad intel Whatever direction you want to go with that isn't the point But the point is When you have people Across the board In media, the political system, etc. All beating the same drum About something that is not true

[00:43:01] You destroy your credibility Now we saw what we saw with Joe Biden You could argue That had they been honest in the first place And had an orderly transition Had an orderly primary You know, Kamala may have still been the nominee And she might have had a better shot to win She still If you look at the raw vote totals

[00:43:30] The race was still kind of close Even with everything So you hand You handcuffed yourself If you're the Democratic Party You handcuffed yourself You hamstrung yourself And now you've hurt your credibility With the American people Because they knew Everybody saw you And tell them the truth And the same thing with the media The media is supposed to be

[00:43:59] The media is referred to as The fourth estate for a reason Because you're supposed to Keep a check on people in power You're supposed to make sure They're telling the truth And when they're not telling the truth You address it So when you lie Why? Because a lot of this stuff And I'm not saying every reporter Who missed this was lying I think some of them just didn't have Intellectual curiosity enough to just Well I'll call them derelict

[00:44:28] That's for sure Believe me If I can see it And you could see it From Cleveland, Ohio And you mean to tell me You covered a guy every day And you don't see it Yeah That's the Well and And you're That Is a dereliction of your duty Because you are willfully negligent Which as you know

[00:44:57] Because you You practice And broken even more stories than I have I went to journalism school You've done this for a living So you understand That's like a cardinal sin For a reporter or a journalist That's a cardinal sin Yeah That's the best case scenario At worst you were just carrying water For an administration Which is you know Now we you know I think part Well and I think the issue too Is when you are

[00:45:27] And because some of them will say Well our sources told us this And I get that I understand that I have sources too But Especially when I'm doing a story If my source Is untruthful To me They're no longer a source Right? Like if my source Lies to me I will never trust that source again And I think

[00:45:56] Part of the issue that you see in journalism in general Is people running with unverified information From sources that you cannot trust Who just use you as an easy mark People know Who in journalism you can go to That'll just report anything you tell them Because of who you are That's how lies get put Like people will send intentional lies In the media

[00:46:26] We see this all the time It's not just political journalism We see this all the time Like even in sports journalism Where they'll Well people will leak a lie on purpose And you're going to A particular journalist Because you know that they're a media whore And they'll report whatever You tell them to Mm-hmm Without investigating They'll just run with it Because they care about being first More than they care about being right

[00:46:58] That's the problem So I don't doubt That I don't think that all of these journalists Were intentionally lying Some of them probably were But I don't think all of them were I do believe that a lot of them Displayed no intellectual curiosity And I also believe that the people Who were their sources The folks who were leaking to them Were intentionally lying Were intentionally lying And you should have enough understanding

[00:47:28] Of journalistic ethics and integrity To know that when a source lies to you You can no longer trust them as a source Because they're just feeding you information They're using you to put out a narrative to the public Regardless of whether it's true or not And they're using you Because they know That you'll write whatever they tell you That's a problem

[00:47:59] That's a problem Last words and let them know how to follow you, sir Yeah, I just You know If you want the president to seem less believable Well, he can do that on his own almost You know, sometimes But if you want him to seem less believable Don't don't give him a reason to have a Sympathetic cause because that's what he's going to do Right. He's going to use it and be like I told you Biden was I could I told you but they They lied to you they didn't want So if you don't want him to have legs to stand on

[00:48:27] Because you hate him so much, you know, maybe stop Stop lying or get At least at least Come across and appear like you're trying to do your job Because that I don't want to say everybody was lying either That's a dereliction of duty That is a dereliction of duty as a journalist Your job is to ask questions Your job is to be inquisitive Your job as a journalist is not to trust It is to verify Correct. So, you know

[00:48:57] It is what it is. But yet again, I mean this is a Yet again, I mean we talked about the weapons of mass destruction We had a pandemic I mean a lot of stuff That they've been on the wrong side of But anyway, you can follow me on social media At T-A-E-B-R-Y-E This O'Malley You can follow me on Facebook at Robin O'Malley And Instagram at RealRobinO'Malley And you can follow me at D-TheKingpin

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